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AIBU?

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to not want my DH at my birthday party

133 replies

ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 12/02/2022 22:59

It's my birthday coming up - just a standard one (not a milestone). I just want a girls night and don't want my husband there or any of their husbands/partners. After being stuck in a man/boy house all this pandemic, I only like the company of my female friends and family members to be honest. Hanging out socially with my husband feels like a chore and changes the dynamic of all-female gatherings. And I want to actually have a fun birthday this year (after not celebrating the past 3 years (including my 30th) due to being in labour on my 30th and covid the past 2 years.

Would this be weird? Would you think it's strange if you were invited to a friends birthday and her husband wasn't there and she said no (male) partners allowed?

YABU - yes it's weird, your DH should be there and husbands should be welcome
YANBU - no it's completely fine, men are boring

OP posts:
SallyWD · 13/02/2022 09:37

It's clear you don't want a date with your DH - why don't you have a family celebration (lunch out with the kids?) then a night with your female friends? It seems a bit odd and hurtful to completely exclude your family. I often have multiple birthday celebrations with different people. It's great!

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 13/02/2022 09:37

@Bananarama21

Interesting the similar was posted about the same thing other day about a man wanting to celebrate with his friends and not partner and he was called worse than shit on here. Talk about double standards!
I was thinking exactly this
MrsSkylerWhite · 13/02/2022 09:40

Any relationship where one party or the other finds spending time in their partner’s company a chore has come to the end of the road.

BABAHOTEL · 13/02/2022 09:42

Sounds like the marriage is over.

Gooders1105 · 13/02/2022 09:45

It sounds really grim. I was you! With a husband who hated everything and the whole interruption thing I can relate to too. This doesn’t bode well. Writing it down can be quite frightening because you realise how shit is all is. There’s a misogyny in this too isn’t there? MIL blamed and belittled, you not allowed to enjoy ‘girly’ things (hate that word because it’s used to put down activities enjoyed by women) and you not getting a chance to speak freely.
Time after your birthday to go to counselling ON YOUR OWN and see what you want to do. Remember you can only change yourself. I am so happy now without my grinch. 😀😀😀

billy1966 · 13/02/2022 09:46

OP,

He sounds utterly horrendous AND controlling.

Give yourself the best birthday present ever and start planning to leave.

Confide in your friends and sisters so you have support.

Negative people are very draining to be around.

No wonder you would rather spend your birthday with other people.

Do it.
Get rid of him.
Flowers

Blueeyedgirl21 · 13/02/2022 09:50

Girls nights are totally normal round here , you’re only early 30s and have missed most of that in covid anyway, some people your age are still living that single life !!

Amongst my friends it’s often meal out with dh and kids/family then following weekend a women friends only night

No one asks to bring their DHs and most are happy to stay at home! After all they have their own friends and hobbies and do plenty with ‘the lads’ so why should every social occasion be mixed gender

AngelinaFibres · 13/02/2022 09:54

As a birthday present to yourself, and to the future of your marriage, book the counselling . It is perfectly fine to go out with your female friends around your birthday, and to say just ladies. It is not a good sign that you are dreading/wanting to avoid spending time with your husband on your birthday. I felt like that about my husband. He has been my ex husband for 25 years. I have been with my second husband for 20 years ,married for 18. There is no one I would rather spend my birthday with than him.

roarfeckingroarr · 13/02/2022 09:56

Change the phrasing.

Don't call it your birthday party, call it a girls night for your birthday. Then do something with your husband / family too.

endingintiers · 13/02/2022 10:03

@Bananarama21

Interesting the similar was posted about the same thing other day about a man wanting to celebrate with his friends and not partner and he was called worse than shit on here. Talk about double standards!
The other post was the OH going away over Easter weekend for 3 nights for a milestone birthda, leaving the poster to look after the kids. This is one night out for a non-milestone birthday. I don't think it's the same at all.

To answer your question I usually go out with my girlfriends without partners for our birthdays. But then we also spend time with our family and partners as well. So it's not the one man-free night out but the fact you don't want to spend any time with your partner which is the issue

DonnyBurrito · 13/02/2022 10:07

@5128gap Nail on the head. Thank you for spelling this out.

AngelinaFibres · 13/02/2022 10:11

I said up thread that you should go for counselling. Reading all your posts Op, I still think you should go, either with him, or for yourself, but as a way of separating amicably. It is not unusual for female friends not to warm to a husband in the group , but the fact that his own friends are pulling him up on the way he behaves is very telling. Men rarely get involved in other couples relationships. He is a mood hoover, a fun sponge, a misery. My SIL is the same. I dread family meet ups. She will suck the joy out of the planning of an event and then suck the tiny crumbs of joy that remain when you actually get together. If she went to Mardi gras within 5 minutes they would all have packed up and gone off to phone the Samaritans. Her husband left her years ago. He came back and now they simply exist in a sexless, joyless journey towards death. They are 75. You are young. Take some time to think if this is really the life you want.

peboh · 13/02/2022 10:13

I'd be upset if my dh didn't want to celebrate his birthday with me. Wether it's a milestone or not. However we like each other's company! You don't seem to like your husband, so I think your relationship is dead in the water.

Lightupmynorthernsky · 13/02/2022 10:34

Go out with your friends. And at a different time go out with just DH or with other couples. Don’t lose your own identity just because you’re in a relationship, if you want a girls night out have one. No need to compromise on everything. It wouldn’t occur to me to include DP in plans for a night out with friends. I’d say ‘just letting you know I’m out on X night’, he’d say the same to me. Otherwise I’d say ‘we’re going out with/do you fancy going out with X on X night’.

There may be wiser issues within your relationship you may choose to address. Wanting a night out with your mates isn’t one of them.

AngelinaFibres · 13/02/2022 10:45

I put the problems in my first marriage down to having small children, no sleep, difficult pregnancies, PND . I had a group of friends and when we got together they mostly had a good old moan about their husbands so I thought everyone had a marriage as grey and devoid of jollity as me. .I tried to talk to my mum but her attitude was that you got married and you stayed married so she just batted away anything I said and changed the subject. She wasn't in a happy marriage so I guess she thought I should share her pain. I became very ground down by it but everyone else looked knackered and a bit saggy so I thought that was how it was supposed to be after you had had children.Your comment about not laughing anymore took me back to how it was. He didn't ever want to go to social events . People would invite us and I would be desperate to go. I knew I had to come up with a legitimate reason why we couldn't go as I wouldn't be allowed to go on my own and he wouldn't want to go. The time that I decided to out my foot down and insist that we go he behaved like your husband and dominated the event with his fabulous knowledge. After a while he got drunk and fell asleep in the corner. The invitations dried up after that and I became even more isolated and lost. It was years ago. I had no job, tiny children and nowhere to go. I would still be there now I expect if he hadn't had an affair and left me. You don't have to be married to a man who makes you so miserable. There are other ways to live. You say your boys are picking up his traits. My boys love shopping and girly films and chatting over coffee as much as they love beer and rugby. My second husband was brought up by a man who sounds very much like your husband. We married when he was in his 40s .He said it had taken life with his late wife to make him realise that joy was allowed, that shopping didn't make you effeminate, 'a poofter' as his dad would say. Doing things that bring joy and treating your partner as an equal was allowed and watching rom coms made that person happy and was therefore very much worth doing. Your boys will absorb all they see around them. A childhood without laughter in a house affects you for life.

Monr0e · 13/02/2022 10:55

OP, he sounds awful. How old are your children? Do you go on holidays? Days out? Does he ruin them all? You talk about things maybe being better when they are older but they deserve happiness (as do you) right now
This is their childhood. And he sounds like he is sucking all the fun and light out of all of your days.

As for the constant messaging when you do go out = controlling.

I'd be laying it on the line. He is making you unhappy, he is chipping away at your love and like for him and ultimately your marriage. And ask him what is he willing to do about it.

You get one life, don't spend it waiting years to get better, when all the signs are there that it won't.

CrinklyCraggy · 13/02/2022 11:02

A birthday night out, perfectly reasonable and normal to go with your friends. An actual party, I think it would be odd if partners weren't included.

I'm not sure why, but I'd expect something family/partner based on the day and friends at the weekend.

It is a worry that you don't want to be around DH though.

balzamico · 13/02/2022 11:12

You have every right to go out with your friends without interruption.
However there's clearly more going on than one evening.
Does he ever comment on his dads behaviour, could he be made to see that's he's behaving the same way?
If he can then maybe counselling would help.

The biggie for me would be that you are bringing up two boys who you don't want to grow up with the same miserable outlook - if you separate at least they'd have happy, laughing you at least 50% of the time

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 13/02/2022 11:57

@daisychain01

If you don't like your husband's company at all, then the birthday do is just a red herring. You sound like you have marriage problems, you should be thinking about that rather than asking if it's unreasonable to go out with your friends without him.

It doesn't need to be either/or, but the drip feed is you don't want him at all, so there's your answer.

Yup. Enjoy a birthday with your friends, you'd not be unreasonable to want that whatever the state of your marriage but you obviously have a separate issue (no pun intended) that you need to address sooner rather than later in that your marriage doesn't make you happy.
ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 13/02/2022 12:41

@AngelinaFibres that does concern me that the pattern will continue and he'll pass on he same traits to our sons (especially since they don't really see the "fun" me much anymore).

As for the constant messaging when you do go out = controlling.

See I never saw it like that - I always seen it like he can't control/help himself from messaging. He says that if I responded to his messages he wouldn't get so worried.

If he loses his temper, does something wrong, or life/accidents happen, he'll always blame me or the kids. So he once quite dangerously gave our the wrong medication dose (triple the amount needed), but apparently was it our son's fault because our son distracted him by chattering away to DH while he administered the medication. When our other son was admitted back into hospital for malnutrition as a 2 day old newborn, his first reaction was to tell me it was my fault for choosing to breastfeed.

Thinking about it, there were a couple of red flags while we were dating that I ignored (such as DH accusing me of wanting to cheat on him with a colleague at a work event because I'd invited said colleague to head elsewhere for drinks with a group of us, and another time getting angry and shouting at me in front of his friends at a wedding, which they told him off for).

Does he ever comment on his dads behaviour, could he be made to see that's he's behaving the same way?

I think he realises that some of his dad's behaviour isn't ideal (sexist and racist/xenophobic comments) but excuses it as getting old. However the negativity and moaning, shouting and poor anger management - DH doesn't really see it. In fact, he idolises his parents and when our children are playing up, often reminisces fondly on the fact that his dad would have knocked sense into him. Sometimes he threatens to smack our DS5 and always tells me we're too "soft" on the boys (which is not true - compared to gentle parenting methods, I'm very strict and working on chilling out the discipline a bit).

That said he's not all bad - I feel like I've focused on the negatives - and I'm certainly not perfect. I zone him out most of the time now. I don't accept his offers to watch stuff together anymore (he always fast forwards through the "boring" bits of series we're watching together so I prefer to watch them alone now). I decline when he asks if I want to grab lunch with him. Generally, I actively avoid one-on-one time with him. Like I said upthread he's very hand-on with the boys and takes them on long muddy walks, plays lots with them in the garden- the boys really do love their father, even with his short fuse, as he does engage well with them and is fun with them if they're doing a physical activity.

I think I will book some counselling for myself to work through my feelings as I don't want to keep living like this.

OP posts:
CreepyDibillo · 13/02/2022 13:13

@Aquamarine1029

Hanging out socially with my husband feels like a chore

This doesn't bode well at all.

I totally agree. Absolutely nothing wrong with a girls night out, even for your birthday, but to say you don't enjoy socialising with your husband is definitely not the norm.
Monr0e · 13/02/2022 13:23

The constant messaging while you are out absolutely is controlling. You say if you responded he wouldn't get so worried. Worried about what? You are a grown woman, out with people you know presumably in a public place. What exactly is it he is worried about? And if you answer once does he message again, and again.

Its a tactic to keep you under control, stop you enjoying yourself while you are out, stop you wanting to go out in the future.

DH and I rarely message each other if we are out, unless it's to check roughly what time to expect them home or to let each other know we might be later than expected.

KatyRebecca84 · 13/02/2022 13:44

Not weird at all that you want a girls night, what is weird is that you don’t like socialising with your husband!

movinghelprequired · 13/02/2022 13:50

My DH and I usually do a nice dinner together for birthdays and then an "own friends" big night out too. So I'll have a nice meal (or takeaway) with DH on my actual birthday and then I'll have a girls' night to celebrate with my friends (no DPs/DHs) as they'll all be home with the DC. Sometimes I have several nights with no DH to celebrate with different groups of mates.

I've never once considered it strange to do this! Even pre-DC we did similar for non-milestone BDays.

So I think this should be totally fine OP. But it sounds like your DH's reaction is strange. Bordering on worrying.

My DH even had his 40th without me! I had small DC and he wanted to do activities that didn't appeal (expensive meat meal and gaming!) I didn't think it was a snub at all that I wasn't invited.

Thatsplentyjack · 13/02/2022 13:54

I think it depends. Big birthday party....weird not to invite your friends partners, and your husband. Just a few friends who are women having a night out/in....not weird.

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