Will you self isolate if covid positive test?

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Compulsory self-isolation is ending if you test positive with covid. Instead, people are being advised to choose to self-isolate.
In reality, I think many people will not. I would not get paid if I self-isolate but am well enough to work, so why would I forego a week's wages?

So will you self-isolate if you test positive with covid?

YABU - Yes I will self-isolate
YANBU - No I will not self-isolate

Ha! @RedToothBrush you are way ahead of me in general!

So far we've only done about half a dozen lft between us, over the whole pandemic, so hopefully having about fifteen in the cupboard will cover us for any that we have to do. I don't really want to have more than that as they are a nightmare environmentally as well as an unwelcome "we are in a pandemic, don't you know" reminder!

But as many have pointed out, once they stop being free they aren't going to go back.

Having read the whole thread and realised that later this year I've got events to go to that just might require lft then I too have ordered some.
Easier than I thought and luckily no need to register. I'm fed up of passwords and 4 digit codes. I simply cannot remember any more.

[quote lucythejuicy]@Rosscameasdoody well if we were only isolating to protect the NHS then it's reasonable now that we revert to normal[/quote]
Absolutely not disputing that we need to get back to some kind of normal. I was responding to the tone of the thread towards CEV people and I fully agree that there are other people who are vulnerable because of the financial effects. But if you read through the thread there have been a lot of accusations thrown at CEV people - we’re ‘enjoying’ shielding, for example, or ‘hiding’ behind the CEV label. There is little to no understanding of what it means to be CEV and to still be very vulnerable to Covid - even Omicron, a variant which is mild for most people. I would have thought there would be a bit more understanding for CEV people, who, after two years of being told that Covid will likely kill them, are naturally wary and not a little afraid of all controls being removed and having to mix with people who may be actively out and about with Covid symptoms. The government has proved over the last two years that it doesn’t give a shit about those in care homes or those most at risk from Covid. And neither, it seems, do most people on this thread.

even Omicron, a variant which is mild for most people

Original Covid has always been mild for most people. Omicron is even milder.

I don't disagree with most of what you are saying but it is important to state this. There are a lot of people who are unreasonably afraid of covid because they have been made to think (by the gov, by the media) that it is a highly deadly disease for all people. It isn't, it never has been.

I would mostly, though I might take the kids to school as don't have anyone who could do that for me.
For the kids I'd follow the school's lead as presumably if they don't have to isolate it'll be an unauthorised absence (and the vast majority of their classes have already had it).
Though if tests stop being free I'm not going to test every time I feel ill, and certainly not on nay regular basis.

I want to here more how all these vulnerable people managed to live before covid with the multitude of other contagious illnesses circulating.
Genuinely

@SirSamVimesCityWatch

even Omicron, a variant which is mild for most people

Original Covid has always been mild for most people. Omicron is even milder.

I don't disagree with most of what you are saying but it is important to state this. There are a lot of people who are unreasonably afraid of covid because they have been made to think (by the gov, by the media) that it is a highly deadly disease for all people. It isn't, it never has been.

But these are not the people to whom I refer in my posts. CEV people, in general not ‘unreasonably’ afraid, because they have not only been told they’re at risk from government and media, but, as in my own case, by their own healthcare providers based on their individual condition and risk. This is what a lot of posters are failing to understand.

@Toanewstart23

I want to here more how all these vulnerable people managed to live before covid with the multitude of other contagious illnesses circulating. Genuinely

The multiple other contagious illnesses generally aren’t fatal to those with compromised immune systems in the way Covid is, although there will be exceptions to this depending on the condition. Covid can affect people in many different ways and so poses a life threatening risk to people with many different underlying conditions. I have a condition which compromises my immune system, and so does the treatment for it. Before Covid, I had my flu vaccination every year, pneumonia vaccination as directed and have been vaccinated for Shingles. My healthcare provider generally advises caution in winter when more viruses are circulating and I was wearing a mask outdoors in winter long before Covid.

@Toanewstart23

I want to here more how all these vulnerable people managed to live before covid with the multitude of other contagious illnesses circulating. Genuinely

Not everyone who has been designated CEV knew that they would be. Two of my friends/acquaintances who were told to shield were very surprised by the letter, they have long term conditions (one is diabetes, the other is something random to do with blood that I don't know the name of) but those conditions are managed and controlled and they never considered that they were vulnerable in the way that they were suddenly being told they were.

One took it very very seriously, barely left the house, withdrew from most of his family responsibilities as his kid went back to school because of the risk of infection, is now permanent WFH, and has really damaged his family as a result. He's still really scared. I don't know what will happen in the end with that one; he's getting increasingly angry at other people living their lives and trying to restrict what his partner and their child do, she's having to try to balance letting their child have a life with not upsetting him too much and she's getting sick of it. I think he will really panic at the loss of regular lf testing and will want to withdraw even more.

The other one got the letter through, discussed it with his wife and quickly concluded "fuck that". He's followed the law but nothing else. Has had Covid and was fine. Withdrawing lf testing will make no difference to him.

A close relative went through cancer treatment during covid. She was CEV while under treatment but she is clear now and I don't know if she is still classed as CEV. She wasn't doing much during treatment because she felt like shit from the chemo. Now she's back to all her pre-covid stuff, not acting any differently.

I guess my point is that of the total number of CEV individuals, many of them won't have had to think about it before because they may not have always been, or known that they were, vulnerable. And some officially CEV people haven't been doing anything different even during covid.

@Toanewstart23

I want to here more how all these vulnerable people managed to live before covid with the multitude of other contagious illnesses circulating. Genuinely

Tbh my dad has diabetes and a heart condition. He's thought differently about covid to flu for that reason.

Flu was generally an issue which put people with respiratory issues most at risk. When it became clear that covid looked more like is was vascular and diabetes was a risk factor that was a whole different group of people.

I think its particularly affecting patients with kidney issue and blood cancers too who perhaps wouldnt have quite the same vulnerability to flu. The concerns over clotting with the vaccines has also affected a different group of people - who might not think twice about a flu vaccine but have concerns over the covid ones.

Plus the 'fear factor' and letters from doctors are something unique to covid rather than flu.

So of course people are going to be responding differently.

We also have much younger adults than perhaps we would normally see.

I think you are perhaps a bit unfair with that one.

The NHS should have been so so so much more narrow with their definition of CEV

are naturally wary and not a little afraid of all controls being removed and having to mix with people who may be actively out and about with Covid symptoms

The thing is, there have been people out and about with covid symptoms for the past 2 years. Many people already aren’t testing. It’s always been clear that the number of cases ‘caught’ every day was only about 1/3 of the actual total.

I'm never testing again

I would, just morally it feels like the right thing to do. ( Although not testing that regularly anymore - so only likely to pick it up if me or a family member was symptomatic...)

We have done what was required, we have protected the NHS

Vulnerable groups have the information to keep themselves safe.

I'm not putting my family income at risk to 'possibly' protect people I don't even know. All covid measures are now removed at work. Anyone vulnerable entering can take their own precautions.

@GirlInACountrySong

We have done what was required, we have protected the NHS

Vulnerable groups have the information to keep themselves safe.

I'm not putting my family income at risk to 'possibly' protect people I don't even know. All covid measures are now removed at work. Anyone vulnerable entering can take their own precautions.

Completely agree with this.

@GirlInACountrySong

We have done what was required, we have protected the NHS

Vulnerable groups have the information to keep themselves safe.

I'm not putting my family income at risk to 'possibly' protect people I don't even know. All covid measures are now removed at work. Anyone vulnerable entering can take their own precautions.

Let me rephrase that for you @GirlInACountrySong

Vulnerable groups know they have to lose their income/home/health/sanity/friends if they need to keep themselves safe.

Because the inconvenience of wearing a mask/doing an LFT/opening a window is just too … inconvenient …?

Anyone can become health vulnerable or can develop Long Covid. Hope you don’t find that out the hard way OP.

@GirlInACountrySong

We have done what was required, we have protected the NHS

Vulnerable groups have the information to keep themselves safe.

I'm not putting my family income at risk to 'possibly' protect people I don't even know. All covid measures are now removed at work. Anyone vulnerable entering can take their own precautions.

Absolutely this

Vulnerable groups know they have to lose their income/home/health/sanity/friends if they need to keep themselves safe.

The sad thing about the pandemic is that I now read things like this, and I roll my eyes or shrug my shoulders.

And then you’ll come back and squeal “selfish”

And in the old days I might argue back

Now I just think…. Yeah, ok, I’m selfish.

And then I get on with living my life along with my children, family, friends and work colleagues

“Vulnerable” means different things to different people

And to me…. Vulnerable doesn’t just mean those, double or triple jabbed that may suffer if they caught covid.

Nah @rootsmanouvure no rephrasing required

That's your words not mine

Restrictions were put in place to protect the NHS who could then help vulnerable/elderly/Cev.

Now it's somehow been turned round and made out to be there to protect CEV groups. That's not what it was in place for

It's over,done. Only here on mumsnet are people clinging on to it... I don't see this anywhere else

Because the inconvenience of wearing a mask/doing an LFT/opening a window is just too … inconvenient …?

That’s disingenuous. No one that I’ve seen on this thread (or anywhere else) has said that just doing an LFT for free is too much of an “inconvenience”.
People have said that they don’t have £30 a week to spare on a box of LFTs.
People have said they cannot afford to heat their home/pay their rent/feed their kids if they miss work and don’t get paid.
People have said their workplace almost certainly wont allow people who have covid but aren’t actually unwell to call in sick.

Doing the LFT is the easy part, it’s what comes after if you test positive that isn’t (or what comes before if you have to pay for them). And for many people it’s much more than just “inconvenient”.

People on this thread have said 'they just don't WANT to'
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Funny how selflessness and martyrdom turns to pragmatism as soon as people have to start paying for tests. These are the same people who can sit at home and virtue signal, sorry isolate, watching Netflix and baking banana bread with the kids.