To be worried about russia

[wonderfulworld45]

I have anxiety so might be jumping to conclusions/worrying over nothing, but with all the talk in the news, I'm starting to worry have sleepless nights about war, please
Call me down

Perhaps switch on your brain and stop believing BBC relentless propaganda. Nobody wants a war, this is just political bullshit

The idea of Russia having its own troops on its land- terrifying!

The UK, USA of course are massing weapons and troops in Ukraine because...e r... hang about

@ABitBesottedWithMyDog

The idea of Russia having its own troops on its land- terrifying!

The UK, USA of course are massing weapons and troops in Ukraine because...e r... hang about

Has history taught us anything about when a country masses a lot of troops and weaponry in a concentration near the border of a neighbouring country?

Has history taught us anything about the USA and its desires to bomb and destroy the world?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya... all this shit in the last 20 years.

@ABitBesottedWithMyDog

The idea of Russia having its own troops on its land- terrifying!

The UK, USA of course are massing weapons and troops in Ukraine because...e r... hang about

Not sure about US troops but aren’t all British troops in the process of leaving currently?

I find it worrying. I am not sure why people are so certain he won't invade? The fact that Russia has moved blood banks to the border seems to indicate a lot more than posturing? I read something by a former soldier that likened this to when they saw mass deliveries of body bags, preparing for your own casualties was usually a sure indicator that trouble was ahead.

I hope it comes to nothing but the signs are worrying.

I hate war so much. Why do we as a species do it?

I don't think we as a species do do it. I think men bloody do it, and women get impacted by it. If all males were castrated at birth world peace would be achieved pretty damn quickly!

@XenoBitch

Switch the news off. There is nothing you can do anyway.

This, 100%.

@ABitBesottedWithMyDog

The idea of Russia having its own troops on its land- terrifying!

The UK, USA of course are massing weapons and troops in Ukraine because...e r... hang about

There has not been no massive build up of US/UK forces “in Ukraine”….the NATO build up has been in NATO member states adjacent to the Ukraine ..

It’s true to say there are few US/Uk troops in the Ukraine, they have been their training Ukraine forces in some weapons that have been delivered but they are supposedly now being withdrawn.

The US having forces in Russia's back yard is a concern for them. Just as it was for the US in the 60s with the Cuban missile crisis. I don't think we should be enticing the Ukraine to join NATO.

It's completely incorrect to keep saying "the Ukraine."

@Ciaram55

The US having forces in Russia's back yard is a concern for them. Just as it was for the US in the 60s with the Cuban missile crisis. I don't think we should be enticing the Ukraine to join NATO.

What about Sweden? Finland?

Would it be ok for them to join NATO?

I know they are partners with NATO.

@Imtootired

More were killed by Stalin than by the Nazis. * citations needed This is fascist propaganda, not to mention that you’ve said this in the context of Russians having a habit of killing each other. Very orientalist. I am not a fan of Putin, although I think he has done some good things. As for Russia in Syria; do you think America should be able to topple any sovereign government with no opposition?

Citations if you like, although anyone who’s interested can google for how many Stalin killed. There is some dispute about numbers. “Orientalist”?? What does that mean exactly?

One could start with these
www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

And this may also be of interest
www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

MarshaBradyo

I anyway don't know enough to give a well-founded answer -- but from what I do know maybe half-arsed muddling-through is the best thing to do here.

What I mean is that a full-on escalation would be very bloody and very dangerous. At the same time, if Putin gets away with whatever aggression he ultimately perpetrates too easily, he'll make a habit of it.

I find it all hard to parse since my instincts are pacifist, but this looks a lot like a situation where a credible threat of a forceful response is required to (hopefully) maintain peace.

I think the West did too much when it gave Ukraine hopes of joining NATO - that was never going to go down well in Moscow. Ukraine is in danger of becoming a victim of glib Western post-cold-war optimism. They were over-promised.

“ Remember how scared the media have made us all of Covid. Fear sells.”

Covid killed millions of people worldwide. Awful example.

@ThreeLocusts

MarshaBradyo

I anyway don't know enough to give a well-founded answer -- but from what I do know maybe half-arsed muddling-through is the best thing to do here.

What I mean is that a full-on escalation would be very bloody and very dangerous. At the same time, if Putin gets away with whatever aggression he ultimately perpetrates too easily, he'll make a habit of it.

I find it all hard to parse since my instincts are pacifist, but this looks a lot like a situation where a credible threat of a forceful response is required to (hopefully) maintain peace.

I think the West did too much when it gave Ukraine hopes of joining NATO - that was never going to go down well in Moscow. Ukraine is in danger of becoming a victim of glib Western post-cold-war optimism. They were over-promised.

When did the promise re joining NATO occur?

I’ve read the article below and found it interesting, this in particular

‘But modern, post-Soviet Ukraine also matters because it has tried—struggled, really—to join the world of prosperous Western democracies. Ukraine has staged not one but two prodemocracy, anti-oligarchy, anti-corruption revolutions in the past two decades. The most recent, in 2014, was particularly terrifying for the Kremlin. Young Ukrainians were chanting anti-corruption slogans, just like the Russian opposition does, and waving European Union flags. These protesters were inspired by the same ideals that Putin hates at home and seeks to overturn abroad.’

How much is this a cultural and societal clash that is outside us really

I think we’re right to withdraw and get people out rather than put in troops but I’m still reading up on it

He will invade Ukraine but at great economic cost, such that Putin will become very unpopular.