You want a Maserati? You better work stud.

[IAmAThreeButIWantATen]

Men who think they're entitled to '10s' when it comes to partners, but they're averaging a 3.
Work harder!

Oh you want a 'gym bunny' girlfriend or 'someone who looks after themselves' .... yet there you are with your beer gut. Oh and she can't go to the gym in case other guys look at her but also she better not let herself go!

Or you want a sexy, confident, earns her own money kinda woman. But after kids can she just also look after them all day, and also work so you're not having to 'pay for her to sit on her arse all day while I work'... but also take care of herself, just not at the gym where others would look at her or where manchild might have to 'babysit' his own kids. Make sure all the housework is also done because 'men don't see mess'... carry the mental load because 'you're better at organising' then perform like a porn star after a day of children, work, cleaning, household management...but not too much because men don't like girls who've 'been around the block'... so maybe be sorta slutty but virginal... toned but not too muscular... parent like you got no job, work like you got no kids... be grateful for any help but also be kind and accept men how they are because 'boys will be boys' and 'men are just like that..'

Get fucked.

@DrSbaitso

You are still not getting my point. I'm not overly eloquent, so I don't think I'm explaining myself quite right. YES, women do squawk about equality. But they only want the good bits of equality. THAT is sexism in itself! Until women TRULY realise that we ARE equal to men, in the good bits AND the bad. YES of course fathers must take responsibility for raising good men, but so must women. EQUALLY!! We can't blame fathers for not raising good men and not blame ourselves too! That's true equality. We allow ourselves to be suckered in to the marketing that men are superior to women and settle for marrying and having children with inferior men.

Who's fault is it that women settle for pathetic numpties and put up with their pathetic behaviour? It IS the woman's fault, whether you like it or not! She has the CHOICE not to settle. This is not really about whether men should have a crap attitude or not, there is only so much (actually quite a lot) we can do as mothers and wives / partners about that. What WE as women DO have TOTAL control over is what we are willing to accept in a partner.

That is not sexism to blame women for accepting crap. If we start rejecting rather than accepting it, it WILL change. We maybe can't change them (I actually know we can) but we CAN change US. To blame women for accepting crap is not sexism. If we want to be equal, we need to truly believe we are equal and actively BE equal.

It's not really our job to change the attitude of others, it's up to us to behave in a manner that shows others what attitude is acceptable to us. They can either agree and behave accordingly or bugger off!

While presenting themselves as a turnip with scraggly soiled roots, dad bod minus the kids, personally of a tree stump and needs that must be fulfilled at all times.

Seriously @IAmAThreeButIWantATen - I would pay good money to read alternative romance novels written by you. This description is genius. 😄

@EmmaH2022

Just here for the Britney reference, great workout song.

Totally agree with this!

these gem of men

Pay attention to number 3

I get your point just fine..."Mummy". And if all you were saying was that women shouldn't put up with shit relationships, I'd agree.

But you're not. You are completely downplaying fathers' responsibility (the lip service doesn't work when you go on to contradict it flatly). You're putting all of it on women. And you're crapping on any call for true equality into the bargain, with the hoary old misogynistic insults for women who don't agree with you that "equality" means "all our fault". "Squawking", ffs.

And you're insulting and blaming women for being in shit relationships more than the men who actually treat them like dirt. Why might that be, I wonder.

Oh, and you think your sexism, misogyny and double standards makes you a roguish and charming cheeky chappie. Ooh, those winky emojis, you devil you. Benny Hill called, he wants his cutting-edge, modern humour back.

You obviously think that you're shocking us with your all-new out-there attitudes that we have never encountered before, but all you're doing is repeating the same old crap we've had since year dot. You think we've never heard that before? You think being insulted and blamed for everything at every turn has nothing to do with women putting up with crap?

We wouldn't want to be accused of "squawking", after all. Mummy.

@DrSbaitso you seem to be insinuating @KittyKattyFosterMummy is not a woman because her views don't align with yours. We, as woman, can think differently- it really annoys me how many women come here and accuse other women if being men and/or MRAs just because they have a difference in opinion. Kittys user name is because she fosters cats, not because she's a man in disguise. A quick posting history search could have confirmed for you. Please stop embarrassing yourself and also being mean about someone's username. It's possible to have reasonable debate without resorting to smear tactics

DrSbaitsoyou seem to be insinuating@KittyKattyFosterMummyis not a woman because her views don't align with yours.

No, I'm insinuating it primarily because the Mummy thinks being sexist and blaming women for everything is funny and deserving of roguish winks because winding the wimmin up is so devilishly clever. If I thought anyone who didn't agree with me wasn't a woman, I wouldn't believe this was a mostly female userbase.

The dismissal of fathers' and men's accountability, the claim that women are to blame twice over for being treated like dirt, the "it's all women's fault" school of equality and the insult of women who don't accept this shit as "squawking" are pretty far up there too, though. It is amazing how often you get posts like that on here with overtly feminine names.

I can't prove it, of course. But even if the kitty mother is indeed a woman, it's still a load of hoary, sexist, misogynistic, double standard claptrap.

@DrSbaitso

I get your point just fine..."Mummy". And if all you were saying was that women shouldn't put up with shit relationships, I'd agree.

But you're not. You are completely downplaying fathers' responsibility (the lip service doesn't work when you go on to contradict it flatly). You're putting all of it on women. And you're crapping on any call for true equality into the bargain, with the hoary old misogynistic insults for women who don't agree with you that "equality" means "all our fault". "Squawking", ffs.

And you're insulting and blaming women for being in shit relationships more than the men who actually treat them like dirt. Why might that be, I wonder.

Oh, and you think your sexism, misogyny and double standards makes you a roguish and charming cheeky chappie. Ooh, those winky emojis, you devil you. Benny Hill called, he wants his cutting-edge, modern humour back.

You obviously think that you're shocking us with your all-new out-there attitudes that we have never encountered before, but all you're doing is repeating the same old crap we've had since year dot. You think we've never heard that before? You think being insulted and blamed for everything at every turn has nothing to do with women putting up with crap?

We wouldn't want to be accused of "squawking", after all. Mummy.

Woman. Know your place.

No more squawking

There are delicate men egos that may be bruised

The poor violent abusive men, why do the silly women stay? Don't ve fooled by the marketing. Men aren't fooled by marketing I mean look at porn. Men understand that it's women hating, unrealistic, abusive and damaging. Hence why they never pay it attention.

Poor souls.
I blame the mothers. Useless mothers allowing men to abuse women

Ladies step up your game or it's your fault.

There’s a lot of this going round on TikTok at the moment - the stereotype is a fat ugly lazy man doing a podcast where he lays out his ‘rules’ for any woman he would deign to date.

But there are plenty of real life examples out there. One bloke saying that a woman having an instagram account is cheating. Lane example but there are others out there.

And I think it’s really unfair to place the blame at the mothers fault when we KNOW how online grooming works. Take a stroll round any online resource catering to males and you can see how one bad dating experience and the support of thousands of other voices telling you You Deserve Better massively shapes the attitude.

Quite.

I should perhaps clarify that I have no issue whatsoever with men being on here. In fact, I think it's a good thing that we have a bit of counterbalance and I can think of several male users whom I respect, even if I don't always agree with them. And nor do I think men are obliged to make it known via their usernames that they're male. And nor do I think everyone with a feminine username must be male.

But it's pretty obvious that there's a type of man who's on here purely to tear down or "correct" women, and to try to avoid being called on it, he overcompensates via the username. Of course I can't prove it, but it's interesting how many times a full on MRA style post has some flowery girly username. There's one out there somewhere that regularly refers to women as "females" and claims it's much easier to get your pre baby body back than for a man to get fit.

Maybe Mummy is a woman. But it's still a load of woman-blaming claptrap that goes far beyond merely "don't stay with crap men". And that remains undisguised by roguish winks. I suppose if it was written by a woman, we could at least also call it "squawking", hey.

KittyKattyFosterMummy

Who's fault is it that women settle for pathetic numpties and put up with their pathetic behaviour? It IS the woman's fault, whether you like it or not! She has the CHOICE not to settle. This is not really about whether men should have a crap attitude or not, there is only so much (actually quite a lot) we can do as mothers and wives / partners about that. What WE as women DO have TOTAL control over is what we are willing to accept in a partner.

I understand your point and I agree with the gist of what you are saying but I take issue with other parts of it which, in some ways, make you part of the problem.

I think the issue is female socialisation. When I was a child in the 70's I often heard the nursery rhyme, "What are little girls made of"; today girls clothing is adorned with the slogan "be kind", it's never applied to clothing aimed at little boys. Right from the outset little girls are taught to put their needs and wants second to those of boys so it's really no surprise that we grow up to be confused about the legitimacy of female boundaries. Even here on a website predominantly used by women we see responses to posts which reinforce this message, usually if a woman feels she's being used, taken advantage of or exploited. Sometimes it's very clear the woman has a person in their life who is absolutely taking the piss but posters will often respond with:

Couldn't you just...
Does it really matter...
What harm will it do...
I couldn't get worked up about that...
Etc, etc

Some women don't think women's boundaries matter and it is our responsibility to compromise to maintain harmony. If we don't think our what's and needs matter then how do we think we will convince men to see us as fully human and treat us as if we matter.

Where I take issue with your post is use of words like squawk. There are a whole host of words used to delegitimise women's speech by using language to imply we only ever speak from a place of emotion rather than one of reason so I think whilst calling for female empowerment you have potentially undermined your own point.

I completely accept that some many will never see us as fully human and it's time for women to stop infantilising them and putting up with shit as if the poor things just can't help it. If they won't change then we must.

So many many typos, autocorrect can get in the bin.

TBF, I know of a few women who have got nothing going for them (no education, career, or class) apart from their physical body/assets, and yet expect prince charming (someone who has both looks, money, educated, etc...). So it can go both ways. (Just imagine your typical gym bunny.)

You are right OP! Obviously NAMALT but there’s a significant enough minority to merit comment! And warning women off them.

"TBF, I know of a few women who have got nothing going for them (no education, career, or class) apart from their physical body/assets. So it can go both ways. (Just imagine your typical gym bunny.)"

With these men it goes beyond just wanting a certain type of woman. They, as said they don't like, even hate women, but if they have to have to have one, then she has to be perfect and ignore all of his faults, because he is a man and entitled.
I think when sex robots get better and cheaper, many men won't bother with women much and they'll hate us even more.
I think it is still a matter of socialisation for women. It takes a while to suss out the world, unless you've got good teachers of sexism. Which is why older women are even more despised, we've got their number, so we need to be shut up. We are called bitter, when actually single over 55 men are the most bitter group you could meet. Also most women just want a stable family life and live in hope.

@DrSbaitso
Sorry for not responding sooner, I was at work. If you check my posting history as suggested, (thank you, @LilaBellaRose), I think it is quite clear I am a woman that fosters cats. I am sorry that you disagree with what I say, but I am more than happy for you to do so, it's okay to agree to disagree without the personal insults like you have made against me. I will just ask that you point out where I laid the blame entirely at the foot of woman like you are saying I am doing. I think if you re-read my posts without the blinkers that I am speaking "a load of hoary, sexist, misogynistic, double standard claptrap." I think I said several times that both sexes are EQUALLY to blame, neither one more or less than the other. If we want equality, we have to take equal blame in the beliefs our children turn into adults holding.

Also, you seem to have credited me with "roguish winks" that apparently prove I think I am "devilishly clever", blame women and think it's funny to "wind "wimmin" up".
I used ONE lonesome winky face...

@FOJN
You are right, and speak far more eloquently than me. I actually genuinely apologise for the word "squawk", it was an ill-used word. "Bleat" was also hasty if I'm honest with myself. I regrettably posted in haste. I just get so frustrated with women who complain that men are so awful, yet, if we, as women had more self worth and a feeling of being an equal and just said "No, I do not accept this behaviour" a bit more often rather than just complaining after years of putting up and shutting up, we'd be well on the way to a better society.

Your last paragraph basically sums up the exact gist of what I'm getting at. Just worded so much better than my long winded waffle which clearly didn't get my point across!

Agree with you totally OP.
A million years ago before the internet a very clever beautiful friend of mine went speed dating on a boat . Yes I do realise that this sounds like she was with Noah on the Arc, she said then the standard of women is so much higher than the men. Nothing has changed even she ended up with a horror show in the end.

@IAmAThreeButIWantATen I think I might be in love with you.

I’ve never posted before but I’ve just come on to say @IAmAThreeButIWantATen is a legend.Thank fuck for women who are willing to tell it like it is and with humour. We don’t have to preface every (true) statement about mens’ abhorrent behaviour with NAMALT. We can just tell the truth. There’s a problem with men. Most men.

I look forward to purchasing your book when you have it published @IAmAThreeButIWantATen. I promise to buy it and beat every self-indulgent, entitled fuckwit I encounter with it and say “You’re single because THAT’S why!!!”

There is definitely a certain type of man on OLD like this. They aren't the majority though and it's apparent just by looking at their profile picture so no need to engage. You are all getting needlessly annoyed, either that or your formers are doing the same thing as the men you're criticising.

You are all getting needlessly annoyed

Thank you telling us how we should be feeling. Are you a man?

You definitely need to write a book, love your style 😂

🤣🤣 I just wrestling children and hoping through truth and typos, that I can tell them later not to be one of these entitled types or marry/date one.

If men spent as much time pulling their sexist, horrific friends up about their behaviours towards women rather than argue online about how women need to be a bit nicer to get more support, we'd be halfway there.
Men arguing with women about their fears for being attacked by saying 'not all men... men also get attacked...' yeah usually by other men. Also women don't need to discuss men's issues when they're talking about their own experiences.
Men certainly don't start conversations off about their problems by then adding 'but I mean, I shouldn't really grumble... women can't even get access to fair pay r work balance after kids so we should probably address that before my moaning about can I claim this shirt as a work expense'.

Just promise that your book has the same title as this thread, because it’s AWESOME