You want a Maserati? You better work stud.

[IAmAThreeButIWantATen]

Men who think they're entitled to '10s' when it comes to partners, but they're averaging a 3.
Work harder!

Oh you want a 'gym bunny' girlfriend or 'someone who looks after themselves' .... yet there you are with your beer gut. Oh and she can't go to the gym in case other guys look at her but also she better not let herself go!

Or you want a sexy, confident, earns her own money kinda woman. But after kids can she just also look after them all day, and also work so you're not having to 'pay for her to sit on her arse all day while I work'... but also take care of herself, just not at the gym where others would look at her or where manchild might have to 'babysit' his own kids. Make sure all the housework is also done because 'men don't see mess'... carry the mental load because 'you're better at organising' then perform like a porn star after a day of children, work, cleaning, household management...but not too much because men don't like girls who've 'been around the block'... so maybe be sorta slutty but virginal... toned but not too muscular... parent like you got no job, work like you got no kids... be grateful for any help but also be kind and accept men how they are because 'boys will be boys' and 'men are just like that..'

Get fucked.

@phishy

I agree, OP. The reaction to your excellent and often accurate post is depressingly expected, OP.

Yes as expected. Types who think men were 'driven to cheat' because their wife no longer has sex with them. You should of course have sex when you don't want it in an unfulfilled and hostile relationship where if you don't then you are not fulfilling the wifey contract you signed. Cries of 'I didn't sign up for this....' from the men who give their wife 'me time' in the form of housework or looking after the kids. Who see their contribution as just existing as man, hold baby long enough to give you time to poop (flower scented obviously) and then return to baby duty.

Women who want kids and settle down after being told that's OK and love bombed at the start of a relationship are suddenly 'psychos' 'bunny boilers' but men who stalk and smother and behave with no boundaries are 'nice guys... just want to treat you nice... see this is why men are Bastards...women don't want nice guys like me...'

@AgnesNaismith

I like you *@IAmAThreeButIWantATen* I’ve met a lot of men like this and even saw glimpses in my husband in the early days.

They can all get fucked. Along with the media which encourages and enables them to be this way.

Yes. Fuck off shitty men

I think you mean men punching well above their weight.

@Longdistance

I think you mean men punching well above their weight.

I do bit I'm talking more than looks. I'm talking men who expect a baggage free partner but bring all sorts of suitcases with them.

Those that want size 8, vegan, mother earth types with no public hair...but themselves are unhealthy, furry crotched McDonald's eating, couldn't look after a hamster safely let alone kids.

Wake up.
And women let us not be labelled 'high maintenance' but just good boundaries, high value, due respect.

I don't know why so many women look for a man on dating sites, lots of the men on dating sites are only on these sites because they are probably failures in real life, or chancers for one reason or another.

Yep. I agree OP.

The one you see cropping up on MN all the time is the man who expects his wife to do all the housework and all the childcare whilst also earning money (because he isn’t going to let her ‘sit on her arse while he works’ - translation: ‘I want my wife to stay in the 1950s in the ways that benefit me, but the traditional man/provider thing looks too much like hard work’). Then he’s outraged when her lifestyle takes its toll on her appearance and their sex life, but refuses to allow her any time to sleep or take exercise (he may be the type who lies around with his beer gut hanging out or he may be the type who spends 10 hours cycling every Saturday and Sunday but the outcome is the same). So he thinks he’s entitled to go and fuck someone else.

OP you're posts are hilarious! You remind of my mate from Yorkshire

I agree, though; there is a really odd expectation poss social media inspired about what women should be. It's not every man, thankfully, but it a lot of them.

I've been widowed for nearly 6 years. I thought I should date again. My friends tell me to get online. I tried it once. I did a free sign up with no picture, and 5 men messaged me. I actually cackled.

So only one man has been interested in me in this time, and he had no guts, so he wouldn't have been able to handle me, lol!

Sticking to my single life, spending time with my adult kids, family, and friends. Sadly still working but hoping to retire early this decade...!!

@1forAll74

I don't know why so many women look for a man on dating sites, lots of the men on dating sites are only on these sites because they are probably failures in real life, or chancers for one reason or another.

That really isn't true. I met my DH on a dating site and he is definitely not a failure. He is a professional man with a heart of gold and a very outgoing personality. He was quite fussy about who he dated though and as a result hadn't really had a long term relationship before at the age of 37. Initially that put me off him a bit and I was debating whether to meet up with him(!)!but I'm so glad I did as he is wonderful.

I do have to agree. A lot of online men seem to have a really inflated ego. Although a guy I used to work with was an incel, he would proper rant at women and ask out every woman in the place. He asked the receptionist once, she said no thanks and he then said well why would I want to date you, you're only a receptionist. I deleted him off social media when he ranted to me about how women aren't attacked more than men and men have it harder. I was like I'm done, fuck off.
Some men really are arrogant for no reason.

I don't think it helps anyone to grade women's looks according to a number...rather like grading an exam. Buys into the sexist agenda.
Some men love the insta look....others prefer an er... older, more natural type like me.

@malificent7

I don't think it helps anyone to grade women's looks according to a number...rather like grading an exam. Buys into the sexist agenda. Some men love the insta look....others prefer an er... older, more natural type like me.

I'm agreeing. It's awful grading people on looks. Men who do do are pigs.

I'm highlighting that there ate men however who use numbers to grade women, and reflecting it back to them.
They want the biologically at times impossible woman, freak in the sheets, lady in the streets garbage.
Yet they're packing biologically swamp-esque, freak in the streets, creep in the sheets.

It's rife.

Problem is that while you may have some valid points there is a feel of ‘whip up the man hating women’ and that sits uncomfortably with me.

@1forAll74

I don't know why so many women look for a man on dating sites, lots of the men on dating sites are only on these sites because they are probably failures in real life, or chancers for one reason or another.

Just like all the women on dating sites? No? Thought not

There are chancers and shitty men everywhere, so of course they pop up on dating sites too. But there are also lots of normal men too. Just like there are women.

What you think it means vs what it means. Top tips.

Man with dog pic.
-he loves animals...
Reality=he smells like a dog and his house resembles a kennel.

Man with pictures of him holding a baby.
-oh he's good with kids.
reality=he knows he's supposed to appeal to those who want/have kids so he's holding a child. This is all he'll ever do if you have one together. Hold it briefly before getting on with the important tasks. Like golf.

Man in Middle of group of girls
-females are his friends. He's an ally.
Reality=I've tried to sleep with or have slept with all these women. If you don't resemble them, don't swipe. I'll also make you paranoid about yourself by talking about them all the time and pit you against all other women/cool girls.

Picture of Man fishing/cycling/any sport.
-great he has hobbies
Reality=I will never spend time with you before any of my hobbies. You are also a hobby to fit in around me. If you complain about me never spending time with you or the kids, I will demonise you as controlling.

Op have you slept at all?!

@Pinkstegosaurus

Problem is that while you may have some valid points there is a feel of ‘whip up the man hating women’ and that sits uncomfortably with me.

It will because we are told that we must be kind, ask nicely and accept shit.

Meanwhile some men refer to women as 'snakes with tits', victim blame those abused and continue to expect more than they deliver.

@Pinkstegosaurus

Op have you slept at all?!

I never sleep.

@Chasingaftermidnight

Yep. I agree OP.

The one you see cropping up on MN all the time is the man who expects his wife to do all the housework and all the childcare whilst also earning money (because he isn’t going to let her ‘sit on her arse while he works’ - translation: ‘I want my wife to stay in the 1950s in the ways that benefit me, but the traditional man/provider thing looks too much like hard work’). Then he’s outraged when her lifestyle takes its toll on her appearance and their sex life, but refuses to allow her any time to sleep or take exercise (he may be the type who lies around with his beer gut hanging out or he may be the type who spends 10 hours cycling every Saturday and Sunday but the outcome is the same). So he thinks he’s entitled to go and fuck someone else.

Yes

1950s housewife buy also work full time but also be a pornstar and then Mary Poppins the kids while being grateful that I am a modern man.

Modern man = sensitive type who is hands on with kids and does equal housework.

Modern man reality= sensitive to any critique, needs round of applause with every child related banal task, Hoover's once after days of asking and forgets it needs doing ever again.

OP ignoring the obvious vampirism, extreme views are rarely healthy, a balanced approach and less inflammatory phrasing may strengthen your message. About 90% of what you’ve written contains fairly derogatory language about the same women you claim to be defending?

Looks like the late night rantings of my mentally unstable aunt after a night on the 'secco.

You're exaggerating, angry trying to be funny but its aggressive, an unhealthy, grossly distorted way of thinking. You sound spiteful, not hilarious.

Hilarious, but tragically true. I'd swap my husband for a maserati.

@OakRowan

You're exaggerating, angry trying to be funny but its aggressive, an unhealthy, grossly distorted way of thinking. You sound spiteful, not hilarious.

I'm not here for your entertainment

@EishetChayil

Looks like the late night rantings of my mentally unstable aunt after a night on the 'secco.

🤣

Lol a lot of it is bang on. I think Op isn’t necessarily talking about ALL men but been on mumsnet long enough to know theres a whole heap of these turnips out there.

This should be part of some sort of pre-dating information pack for teenage girls.