AIBU to say that people in the “real world” absolutely do care about Downing Street parties?

[PuzzledObserver]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60318610

According to Mark Spencer MP, the new leader of the House of Commons, people don’t care about partygate because what really matters to them is their jobs, NHS backlogs and energy prices.

Personally I am capable of caring about all of those AND being incensed by the “do what I say not what I do” attitude of certain members of the Government and its officials.

YABU = of course nobody cares, move on

YANBU = it absolutely matters that they told us one thing and did another themselves.

We know lots of middled aged, middle class people who would sooner lick the lavatory floor clean than vote Labour who are appalled at the conduct of this PM. Keep telling yourself so though, if it makes you feel better

Exactly. If anybody thinks otherwise they need to move in wider circles..

@wanttomarryamillionaire

I don't know anyone who really gives a toss. Only the lefties who hate the government.

You need to drag your expectations of your elective representatives up of the floor. It shouldn’t just be ‘lefties’ who care about this, conservatives deserve better too.

*elected

Also if I have to hear him smugly intoning "NO, Mr Speaker" on PMQs one more time I'm going to have a conniption. Lindsay Hoyle must want to punch him one at the moment, I know I do and I'm not the one who has to listen to him.

@Whingasaurus

I don't really care its annoying but I think they are all the same tbh, the only people in my social circle who do are die hard lefties so they'd find something. Chatting in a shop the other day and not one person cared. I think there's been so much stupid shit thrown around, eh wallpapergate that it's all lost any impact.

They’ve brainwashed you too. In my 70+ years this is the worst government I’ve ever seen

It’s very ‘boys will be boys’. If you don’t expect better from MPs they’ll stay this crap!

@VikingOnTheFridge

I know this is not representative of the public at large, but most people on that matter of party gate, are hypocritical, they profess that the PM, should not have had the parties, yet most of the people I know, one way or another broke lock down rules for one reason or another.

That isn't hypocritical, unless the people you know also forced others to comply with rules whilst refusing to do it themselves.

Fair point, what would would you suggest would of been better, Please.

Basically the people I know, most of them happy to criticise boris, yet happy to break the rules themselves for one reason or another.

No, not bothered about the party’s, work meetings, more concerned about what they do running the country, party gate seems to be a unnecessary distraction for the far more important things, inflation, energy rises, Covid, infrastructure etc

“Basically the people I know, most of them happy to criticise boris, yet happy to break the rules themselves for one reason or another.”

Yeah, stupid as that might be, they didn’t write the rules. If you wrote them you should bloody well be able to stick to them.

Do not give one flying ounce of fucks over it. If everyone was honest I bet we would see many thousands of people who broke the rules multiple times.

I'd rather focus was on getting back to track with the state of the economy, jobs etc.

Also if you don't like my personal view, no need to respond saying so cos I don't care what you think

Ive just been out to dinner with friends and there is a few of them that believe we should just move on because ‘all politicians lie’ and I don’t necessarily disagree

But this government has raised lying to a fine art

And before anyone gets all over excited I’ve never voted labour

Dreamstate

Do not give one flying ounce of fucks over it. If everyone was honest I bet we would see many thousands of people who broke the rules multiple times.

I'd rather focus was on getting back to track with the state of the economy, jobs etc.

Also if you don't like my personal view, no need to respond saying so cos I don't care what you think“

Of course you don’t, obviously.

The vast majority observed restrictions because they give a flying fuck about other people.

@Blossomtoes

So - yeah I’m still angry - wish their was something constructive I could do to change it all - for my grandkids and their generation mainly

There is. Vote any way apart from Conservative.

Lol - I haven’t voted conservative for a long while - I live in a liberal/Labour swing seat, so whilst I’m happy about that I’m still not sure I do anything constructive to get this shower out at all.

Whilst I care about the sheer stupidity of lying and cover up, I am fed up of the non-stop coverage of something, let’s be honest, that took place almost 2 years ago, at a time when the pandemic is in full swing and most of the country was being paid to stay at home.

Meanwhile, right now, we see inflation soaring towards 6% or even 7%, energy prices doubling or tripling, a major issue in Ukraine with the US sending B52s into their airspace, threats from Russia, customs delays, a shortage of labour, and yet those barely attract a mention on the front page of most mainstream media, including the BBC. All these things bother me more, than a few drinks at work 2 years ago but the media has its own agenda, and that feels wrong to me.

I'd rather focus was on getting back to track with the state of the economy, jobs etc

And you trust this bunch of dishonest incompetents to do that?

John Armitage - Tory Donor cares as reported by the Journalist here:

He told me the state of play was "incredibly distressing" and complained about a "lack of honour" in politics.
After Partygate, and the fiasco of recent months, he suggested Mr Johnson's time was up saying, "if you lose moral authority… and if you do something or say something which on the front page of The Sunday Times looks terrible, and you do that consistently and you betray a sense of not really caring, I think you should leave".
Asked if Mr Johnson was "past the point of no return", he said: "Yes I do"

And Mr Armitage almost expressed disbelief about how No 10 had been trying to manage their way out of the current crisis by changing Mr Johnson's top team.
"What about a sense of personal responsibility? 'You know, I'm going to change my chief of staff and it will all be fine.' Oh really?"
Mr Armitage is not a frequent participant in the hurly burly of political debate, choosing to, as he said, be a "very low-profile person".
But he told me challenges to the West require "very serious, engaged politicians"
Right now, he clearly does not believe that his party or this country has a leader who meets that job description
The Conservative Party may nervously wonder if any of their other financial backers might ponder that next

@StoneofDestiny

“How Boris Johnson Could Lose Power Over a Party in His Garden,” ran a headline in The New York Times. The newspaper observed that two “grand British institutions” – the monarchy and the Government – had “pitched simultaneously into crisis” with the scandals surrounding the Prime Minister and Prince Andrew.

The Washington Post’s Henry Olsen said Mr Johnson looked like a “dead man walking“, while CNN host Kaitlan Collins said the jeers and laughter in reaction to his apology constituted a “remarkable scene”. CBS News said the Prime Minister “faced the most serious questions of his time in office”.

Spanish newspaper El Pais was saying that the Conservative Party had begun to organise “the fall of the prime minister“.

La Razon, a right-wing Spanish daily, observed on Tuesday that Mr Johnson’s “infinite arrogance, typical of the British aristocracy and upper bourgeoisie” explained his mistakes. The Prime Minister has gone from a “quirky” character to a “boorish jester“, the newspaper concluded.

Commentator Rafael Ramos noted in Catalonia’s La Vanguardia that Mr Johnson “may fall not because of Brexit, or his management of the pandemic, his attacks on democracy and his disregard for international treaties, but because of organising banned parties”, adding: “Downing Street, by the looks of it, has been a permanent party for the last two years"

Italy’s La Repubblica said that Mr Johnson would be remembered for a cheese and wine gathering rather than Brexit, headlining its story: “The forbidden party that kills ‘King Boris‘”. NRC Handelsblad in the Netherlands added that “Boris Johnson’s supporters think it’s time for him to leave“.

French daily Libération said this week that Mr Johnson was trying “everything to save his skin” amid a flood of damaging revelations. “The party is over, and so are the jokes,” said the left-leaning newspaper. “The cascading revelations of corruption cases involving his party, as well as illegal evenings held in his residence in 2020 led him to this dangerous 12 days.”

Le Monde remarked that “feverishness is at its height in Downing Street”. A comment piece in the French newspaper said, “Boris Johnson’s contempt for the rules enacted under his own authority rightly causes intense anger”, calling the scandal scandal “clearly one too many” and suggesting it marked “the beginning of the end of Mr Johnson’s thunderous reign over British politics. This time, the contempt for the people is flagrant.”

Le Figaro said fellow Conservatives were “sharpening their knives”, and asked: “Will Boris Johnson go down in UK history as the leader who got Brexit done or as an amateur politician sunk by his taste for partying?”

German newspaper Bild headlined its story on Dominic Cummings on Wednesday, “Revenge of the Dark Lord of Downing Street“, claiming the dispute was becoming personal “and really dirty too!”

Le Soir in Belgium, meanwhile, compared Mr Johnson to tennis star Novak Djokovic, commenting: “Both have apologised and must take responsibility for faults”.

“He partied as the rest of his country was locked up at home,” said a report on Indian news channel World is One News (WION). “Now he is toast and the party is over”.

What was it the French leader and other eu leaders said about the AZ vaccine, how many lives did that cost, yet Joe Rogan is the bad guy. I'm not going to let the press tell me who to like and who to hate, so few are reporters these days anyway. Johnson acted badly as have most of the rest of the political class

I didn't break the rules and yes, I care. Every time I start to think I'm done hearing about it I remember the image of the queen sat alone at her husbands funeral. I remember the story of a husband forced to sit in his car while he wife was upstairs giving birth to their stillborn baby all alone. I also remember the video of a son being threatened by a funeral director because he dared to get up and put his arm around his crying mother. So many people were left alone at the most awful moments of their lives because of decisions made by politicians while they were busy having piss-ups at work to celebrate their hard work.

Also to be pragmatic I want the Tories out in general and Johnson in particular because they are fucking up the country with a great big nail studded broom handle. It doesn't seem possible to mobilise public opinion over the sabotage of the NHS, the gutting of public services, the open door to lobbyists and quid pro quo arrangements with "donors", the habit of "reviewing" any laws or rules they decide they don't like when applied to them, the dispensing ofillions of pounds of public money into the unqualified pockets of their mates, the deliberate transfer of the burden of taxation from those with the most to those with the least. Whether that's because the electorate are thick as pigshit or because this stuff is actually acceptable to them I do not know; but what actually DOES seem to annoy a substantial number of them is the thought of a few illicit parties. So from that cynical perspective Starmer can keep banging on about it until the cows come home as far as I'm concerned. Or at least until the chickens come home to roost.

I care, but them I fuckin HATE Boris, he's lied through his whole career, when he said he hadn't slept with Jennifer acruri, benefits of Brexit etc etc etc....this month alone in Parliament about not breaking COVID rules, crimes rates are down, highest number of people in work, how he did a great job at getting us through The COVID crisis.

Lie after fuckin lie..

Personally, I don't care - I have way too much shit going on in my life to give a damn about a party.

WTF has Joe Rogan got to do with this? I think too much vino is being consumed on the graveyard shift at Tory HQ Millbank tonight.

I bloody care

But then, I can care about more than one thing at once...

Does the leader of the house care about Muslims? Bizarre appointment.

I do care. It’s made me very angry. I’ve looked in on lots of threads with people saying much the same to be honest. The long drawn out saga is starting to hurt my head a bit though. I’d rather whoever is releasing evidence in drips and drabs would just chuck everything into the ring and be done with it.

I care. I couldn’t attend a funeral of a family member and couldn’t see another family member in a care home.