AIBU to say that people in the “real world” absolutely do care about Downing Street parties?

[PuzzledObserver]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60318610

According to Mark Spencer MP, the new leader of the House of Commons, people don’t care about partygate because what really matters to them is their jobs, NHS backlogs and energy prices.

Personally I am capable of caring about all of those AND being incensed by the “do what I say not what I do” attitude of certain members of the Government and its officials.

YABU = of course nobody cares, move on

YANBU = it absolutely matters that they told us one thing and did another themselves.

@skodadoda

Listen to John Major’s speech and comments today; he’s scathing about the current government and is a reminder of what a decent administration should look like, and no, I’ve never voted Tory! He would make a brilliant leader of the opposition.

Wouldn’t he just? I look at him and wonder why I never appreciated just how much integrity he has when it was an option to vote for a government he led. Then I remember Peter Lilley and his vile little list and it all becomes clear again.

I'm a socialist but I don't care about parties because we all knew they were dishonest after the 350 million to the NHS Brexit bus, didn't we? After that, why did anyone expect the government to act with integrity?

@MorningStarling

I don't care. My view is that it's fine to attack the government on things that matter - the cost of living, healthcare, Covid response, employment and so on - but idiotic to get worked up about a few rather shit "parties" during lockdown.

If you take the party politics out of it, if you take the emotion out of it, it sounds utterly ridiculous to say "The PM should go because he stood next to a bloke with tinsel round his neck" or "The Tories are cunts because they had some wine and cheese in a garden." It sounds insane.

Every time Starmer or Blackford goes on about it in Parliament it just makes me think, "Is that the best they've got?" Especially when they go down the route of trying to use human tragedy to make a political point, e.g. "My constituent's sister died while the PM was photographed laughing." The implication is obvious, that they're trying to say Johnson was laughing at the sister dying, which is offensive and clearly not true.

They weren't laughing at the sister dying. I don't think they were laughing at anyone, actually, just taking it as read that the rules they made and enforced didn't apply to them, because they are a breed apart from the ordinary members of the public, so they could do what they liked. The wonder is it's taken this long to become public knowledge.

A better description would be simply not giving a fuck. They thought it was fine for ordinary people to suffer while they partied.

I don't care about the parties themselves but the seemingly constant stream of evidence about yet another way he/they have been breaking their own rules, add to that the corruption and the massive loss of money to dodgy contracts etc.

@Mia85

I have no particular political allegiance but care deeply about this.

A country with no respect for law or democracy is a dangerous place to be. He appears to have contempt for both and so is not fit to be prime minister.

I agree

@Blossomtoes Wouldn’t he just? I look at him and wonder why I never appreciated just how much integrity he has when it was an option to vote for a government he led. Then I remember Peter Lilley and his vile little list and it all becomes clear again

True, but at least we knew they were nasty

I don't give a shite about parties what I think we should all be deeply concerned about is a prime minister and government that think of themselves as being above the law.

@TinaWeymouthsBass

I don't give a shite about parties what I think we should all be deeply concerned about is a prime minister and government that think of themselves as being above the law.

They are above the law, as are many others, just another fact of life

John major, dearie me

Looks like the Johnson bots are out again.

The work experience one has been sent on this thread I reckon. I predict Major's affair is about to be trotted out.

They are above the law, as are many others, just another fact of life

They’re not though. As they’re now discovering.

I care

@BrocolliHamster

They think we're too stupid to be able to hold multiple grievances in our heads at once.

Definitely this and they're wrong. I can hold sooooo many

Not caring really signifies a deep lack of respect for what all of our front line workers, particularly doctors, nurses and paramedics have been through. Not to mention CV people and everyone effected by childbirth or grief has gone through during this Pandemic. It's the exact same not carrying that allowed Brexit to happen. There are some very very scary quotes about apathy and none of them are good.

@Blossomtoes

They are above the law, as are many others, just another fact of life

They’re not though. As they’re now discovering.

If you believe that you will believe anything, as I said before, Cummings Ferguson and the one catching trains to Scotland knowing she had covid and others, all known by police it was no big secret, how many prosecuted? Our justice system has more layers than an onion

@ClaudineClare

The work experience one has been sent on this thread I reckon. I predict Major's affair is about to be trotted out.

Shouldn't you have said Russian bots, you know to keep things equal

@Sprucewillis

Not caring really signifies a deep lack of respect for what all of our front line workers, particularly doctors, nurses and paramedics have been through. Not to mention CV people and everyone effected by childbirth or grief has gone through during this Pandemic. It's the exact same not carrying that allowed Brexit to happen. There are some very very scary quotes about apathy and none of them are good.

Seeing what the front line staff have been subjected to since bothers me way more yet there is little outrage about that, in fact many support it

Seeing what the front line staff have been subjected to since bothers me way more yet there is little outrage about that, in fact many support it

Since what? Exactly what are we supposed to be outraged by?

@Blossomtoes

Seeing what the front line staff have been subjected to since bothers me way more yet there is little outrage about that, in fact many support it

Since what? Exactly what are we supposed to be outraged by?

The tens of thousands already sacked and the rest threatened with the sack, for not following unnecessary mandates.

But hey, parties

@mummykel16 Yeah I am outraged by that to but all sanctions have been dropped as of next month so. PS that was under the current party also.

@MorningStarling

I don't care. My view is that it's fine to attack the government on things that matter - the cost of living, healthcare, Covid response, employment and so on - but idiotic to get worked up about a few rather shit "parties" during lockdown.

If you take the party politics out of it, if you take the emotion out of it, it sounds utterly ridiculous to say "The PM should go because he stood next to a bloke with tinsel round his neck" or "The Tories are cunts because they had some wine and cheese in a garden." It sounds insane.

Every time Starmer or Blackford goes on about it in Parliament it just makes me think, "Is that the best they've got?" Especially when they go down the route of trying to use human tragedy to make a political point, e.g. "My constituent's sister died while the PM was photographed laughing." The implication is obvious, that they're trying to say Johnson was laughing at the sister dying, which is offensive and clearly not true.

@MorningStarling Of course they were not laughing at the sister dying.

But what they did do was put in place rules that meant I couldn't even speak to never mind visit my mum while she was covid positive and dying. All I could do for 3 long weeks was type up letters in huge font (because she had bad eyesight) and hand them into the back door of the hospital every day and wait for her to die. I don't even know if she ever read them.

I endured that and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, I pleaded, sobbing, for someone to let me in, but they couldn't.

We then had to pick and choose which of her children and siblings were allowed to attend her funeral.

But while that was happening our leaders were treating everyone who was going through the worst of times with such disregard and disdain, breaking the same rules boozing up it in regular parties.

You can fuck off with "take the emotion out of it"

How can you not understand why that upsets people?

The tens of thousands already sacked and the rest threatened with the sack, for not following unnecessary mandates

Do keep up. That’s no longer happening. Another Tory U turn.

I care because I stood at a nurses station begging for them to let my brother see his dying father because he wasn’t close enough to death yet to warrant 2 visitors.

I care because my 15 year old daughter spent 3 months in her bedroom depressed not able to see her friends.

I care because I couldn’t see my 92 year old grandmother for months

I care because my mum spent Christmas alone

I care because my son lost his job as his employer closed their business