AIBU to think Brits don't care about state involvement in murders in NI?

[Somatronic]

More evidence of state collusion in loyalist murders of Catholics/nationalists in Northern Ireland. This time it's the RUC.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/evidence-police-in-belfast-colluded-with-loyalists-in-the-troubles-report-finds

AIBU to think that British people don't care that their army and British police forces were involved in the murder of civilians in Northern Ireland? That there's a strange attitude that only the IRA or republican actions were wrong?

What - people in glass houses should all bury their heads in the sand?

Acknowledging our country's and our continent's history of taking advantage of/abusing/hurting and killing people for our nations' interests is something that we should all be doing.

[quote ivykaty44]and are still hailed as a great nation,

hardly

look at the Russians laughing at England, long gone are the days when England was hailed as a great nation - we are a laughing stock www.lbc.co.uk/world-news/boris-ridiculed-russia-tension-ukraine/[/quote]
You're very naive. If the Russians weren't concerned by UK abilities, they wouldn't even be talking about Johnson. He was in Ukraine with the two other national leaders, including the PM of Denmark. They're not mentioned because they are no cause for concern for Putin. I'm sure Ukraine appreciates the help and support of Denmark, but the UK has so much more to offer and the money, expertise, behind the scenes help and connections they have are really important and valued by these east European states. For the Russians to put out releases to their own country that Johnson shouldn't be taken seriously, is proof that the Russians do take the UK very seriously.

I care. I’m English and old enough to remember some of the atrocities.
I’m angry about how the Catholic minority was treated in NI.

Without the IRA, the loyalists would not have existed

This can't be a serious belief - surely?

I don't believe the average person outside of Ireland has any idea what Gerrymandering was.

For the Russians to put out releases to their own country that Johnson shouldn't be taken seriously, is proof that the Russians do take the UK very seriously.

for cleaning their money

I don't believe the average person outside of Ireland has any idea what Gerrymandering was.

Americans would. The term originates from there.

@DandyMandy

The English always see themselves as victims and this thread proves it with many proudly claiming that they don't care about Irish people. Would they say the same thing about black and asian people? No they wouldn't, but they get away with it because Irish people are white (although they weren't always viewed as white by the way). Protestants are extremely privileged and they love throwing blame around. British soldiers were sent to the North of Ireland to murder Catholics. The police also did the same thing.

This ‘the English’ thing is part of the problem. Also not all English people are white. Not all English people are racist. In fact, the only thing all English people are English. That’s it.

And to add it to it, literally by the accidents of our birth location does this much if these perspectives exist. Yes, we should be educated and understand other people’s perspectives. But we still realise that we could so easily be switched, we are a product of our birth and upbringing. We’re just people. Not a monolithic entity.

I think there is very limited awareness of NI in the rest of the UK in general.

I think there is very limited awareness of NI in the rest of the UK in general.

indeed, what is the solution to rectifying that?

are you not concerned that your govt is trying to bring in an amnesty for the soldiers who shot and killed 14 men and boys on a civil rights march on Bloody Sunday
Whilst realising two wrongs do not make a right, there is surely an issue in prosecuting soldiers when IRA terrorists have been granted amnesty
You cannot look at the events of Bloody Sunday without a wider awareness of those times. Media today focuses solely on those killed on this day and the effect the killings had on the following years in Northern Ireland. What the media doesn't give is any sort of context or background to the events of that day like the fact that between March 1971 and 30th January 1972, republican terrorists had murdered 52 British soldiers. Nothing excuses violence, lawlessness or brutality on any side

@ivykaty44

I think there is very limited awareness of NI in the rest of the UK in general.

indeed, what is the solution to rectifying that?

I don’t think there is one. I don’t think NI looms large enough to be of much interest.

I’m not from NI, but spend a lot of time there, and part of my job is communicating aspects of life here to the rest of the UK. This is not easy.

‘ Without the IRA, the loyalists would not have existed’

And comments like this are exactly why the rest of Britain should have something, ANYTHING , added to their history curriculum about the relationship between Ireland ( which not that long ago was ALL ruled from Westminster) and the rest of Britain. FFS.

‘ Bloody Sunday without a wider awareness of those times’

I’m of the opinion that soldiers murdering unarmed civilians during a peaceful protest, shooting many in the back as they fled cannot be defended. And god knows the U.K. government tried to, and lied, and covered up, and victim blamed and successfully if your comments are anything to go by.
Bloody Sunday, and the injustice of it and lack of apology, remorse and cover up. was a massive recruitment drive for the IRA. And STILL that woun festers.
You can’t pretend to be fighting terrorism while you behave like terrorists. It’s doesn’t work. Even as a child I realised that. And growing up the Troubles I was just as afraid of the soldiers and the RUC and the securities forces as I was of the terrorists and IRA bombs.

Well done to you for not bothering to address the rest of my comment.

@DandyMandy

Well done to you for not bothering to address the rest of my comment.

Post was aimed at @LovedayCL

@DandyMandy

Well done to you for not bothering to address the rest of my comment.

Which part? Why well done?

@QueenOfHiraeth
"What the media doesn't give is any sort of context or background to the events of that day like the fact that between March 1971 and 30th January 1972, republican terrorists had murdered 52 British soldiers"

What does that have to do with the murder of innocent civilians by their own army? Think about any of the marches that happen in London. Can you imagine a situation where the army would open fire on British citizens.

Justifying the murder of innocent civilians and trying to link them to terrorism is very insulting to the victims.

Think about any of the marches that happen in London. Can you imagine a situation where the army would open fire on British citizens.

I think people can't wrap their heads around this. That it was murder of the actual citizens that the army are supposed to protect.

The othering of NI Catholics needs to be extremely strong to foster that attitude.

I don’t think Irish people realise how much the news in Northern Ireland was censored in England for a very long time.

@Furbulousnous

‘ Without the IRA, the loyalists would not have existed’

And comments like this are exactly why the rest of Britain should have something, ANYTHING , added to their history curriculum about the relationship between Ireland ( which not that long ago was ALL ruled from Westminster) and the rest of Britain. FFS.

Why do you think the loyalist paramilitary groups came into existence? The UVF and the UDA formed in the 60s and 70s to fight against republicanism and the IRA, and to keep NI in GB.

The UK never really faced up to its colonial past and Ireland is no exception.

Unfortunately OP I think it is true.

I'm quite old and have worked with a few people from NI. Over the years I have attempted to educate myself.

I think most of us didn't care until bombs were planted on the mainland.

Hunger strikes - leave them to it.

The current problems with Brexit and borders hardly gets a mention.