Any Tory who defended Boris's Savile smear as 'cut and thrust' should immediately recant

[noblegiraffe]

Any of the despicable lot who did the media rounds defending Boris making a far-right smear in parliament as 'political cut and thrust' should be faced with a journalist tomorrow asking whether they had reconsidered in the light of the mob surrounding Keir Starmer tonight calling him a fucking traitor, saying he should be hung, and repeating the same accusation. Their responses should be collated and published.

In recent years we have seen two MPs murdered. These mobs must be taken seriously. They should not be whipped up by the Prime Minister in the Houses of Parliament.

Boris has to accept responsibility for this, and every fucker who defended it as acceptable should be called to account.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

‘After storm Arwin my village went without power for 10 days. Plenty of people tried to phone and email him for his help in organising showers/hot food etc for the elderly and families - he couldn't even be arsed to respond to those, prefering to attend a photo op planting a tree in a town 20 miles away.’

But come Election Day most of the village will vote Tory finding all kind of excuses to do so and he knows it.

This is the thing. He only scraped a 800-odd vote majority and is clearly too stupid to realise how likely he is to lose his seat.

I've had the misfortune of talking to him twice. He's thick as shit.

YANBU
It's getting fucking scary, all the intolerance and hatred around lately, and now this.
He seriously needs to go, the whole lot of them need out.

Sir Keir should absolutely get full police protection at this stage.

I'm very disturbed by what's going on under this current 'government'. I never thought things could be this rotten. It's all an utter disgrace. I hope they get their comeuppance.

Thank you for starting this thread!
Will be useful to come back too!

My Tory MP is in Liverpool tomorrow, so if there any MNs who want to ask Gove a question, you might get a quicker answer than I will.

Also, I cant find anyone who has actually seen him in Surrey in months, so you might want to take him a map incase he is really lost

@user1471443411

Sir Keir should absolutely get full police protection at this stage.

Quite.
There will be people out there who want to do him serious harm as a result of that buffoon.

Note how the London government made sure Scotland and Ireland had PR. Can't have some extremist group taking power under the barking mad FPTP system Eh?

Note how Priti Patel wants to make Mayoral elections FPTP - but hasn't suggested it for Holyrood? Why not? Because she knows that the Tories would get completely wiped out if she did so.

He isn't a buffoon. He's a calculating bastard who knew exactly what he was doing

I really don’t think he calculated his entire team quitting on him over the Savile jibe, including an ally of over a decade. I think he’s a desperate flailing idiot who refuses to admit when he’s in the wrong and do the decent thing (whether fully retract and apologise for an appalling smear, or resign when he is not fit to lead).

His advisers warned him not to use it.

Yep, you can’t defend the indefensible yet some of BJ’s supporters have done just that.

My MP (Julian Smith) spoke out about it last week and again yesterday. He’s a decent guy.

Can anyone explain to me how the Starmer incident happened? Did the group ambush him as he came out? Are high level politicians normally just about on the pavements? It looked like such a huge security risk.
The parallels between Johnson and Trump are horrific.

[quote Abhannmor]@Kendodd the public rejected some dogs breakfast called AV. They couldn't understand it . Neither could I and I'm from a country that has always used PR. Note how the London government made sure Scotland and Ireland had PR. Can't have some extremist group taking power under the barking mad FPTP system Eh?[/quote]
AV is very easy to understand. I used to do electoral systems with Y9 classes and they pretty much always invented AV as fairer than FPTP. The problem is that it isn’t actually a proper form of proportional representation and was a bone tossed to the Lib Dems during the Coalition government, which they foolishly snapped up, thus stymieing the chances of a genuinely proportional system for a generation, all time, or something in between.

The way they behave in the house of commons is revolting.
Taking pot shots, jeering, it is childish. They should behave professionally.

The way they behave in the house of commons is revolting.
Taking pot shots, jeering, it is childish. They should behave professionally.

I agree.
I much preferred it when they were on zoom.

My biggest fear is that Johnson will go to war with Russia just to save his own skin.

@Kendodd

My biggest fear is that Johnson will go to war with Russia just to save his own skin.

Even he has to realise that wouldn't work. It's not the Falklands.

Add to the list of Tory defenders Chris Philp, Technology Minister doing the rounds this morning. ('Perfectly normal to refer to an MP's track record')

No apology will be forthcoming, says Downing Street, saying that if Boris had to put up with weeks of accusations about parties, then it's fine for Starmer to have far-right smears thrown at him in parliament. Not fine for them to be thrown at him by a mob on the pavement, that's disgusting and undemocratic, but fine for Boris to do it while Mogg points and jeers.

Aside from the Savile smear, most of the protesters appear to be calling Sir Kier a 'traitor'.
On what basis?

Apparently Chris Philp is Misinformation Minister, although I thought the brief would be to counter it, not spread it.

@noblegiraffe

Apparently Chris Philp is Misinformation Minister, although I thought the brief would be to counter it, not spread it.

@Moonmelodies

Aside from the Savile smear, most of the protesters appear to be calling Sir Kier a 'traitor'. On what basis?

On the basis that that is something also thrown around by right-wing extremists.

Here is Labour MP Paula Sherriff begging Johnson in Parliament in 2019 to stop using words like 'betrayal' and 'traitor' as that language is used and repeated in the death threats that she and other MPs receive.

Johnson replies that he has 'never heard so much humbug in all his life'.

twitter.com/cat_headley/status/1490763042451300354?s=21

The language that he uses is the language that they use.

I am no BJ supporter, and totally agree that his actions were abhorrent. Words matter, and direction is set from the top. His behaviour in this, and other matters, has been appalling.

BUT, where is the condemnation of the people in the mob? What sort of society are we when we accept that ordinary people behave in this vile manner? We are ALL accountable for our own actions. That means Boris, but also the mob.

Aside from the Savile smear, most of the protesters appear to be calling Sir Kier a 'traitor'.
On what basis?

'He let Savile attack all those kiddies.' (He didn't. The offences being investigated were historic, and investigating and protecting vulnerable people is the job of front line services.)
'He'd have us in strict lockdown forever.' (Not true, wanting stricter measures is about helping the NHS, not about continuous lockdowns.)

BUT, where is the condemnation of the people in the mob?

That goes without saying. We already know they're a bunch of arseholes. The issue here is, where are they being fed their lies? That is on the Prime Minister.