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Jimmy Carr’s Racist Joke

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Knutface · 06/02/2022 13:28

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/04/jimmy-carr-condemned-for-joke-about-gypsies-in-netflix-special

Not something that I find funny but it has highlighted something. Racism against Roma/Sinti people is widely acceptable and not treated in the same away as racism against other minorities. Years ago I worked for a local authority in an area with a fair few traveller sites and noticed that staff that would never dream of using slurs against black or Asian people openly did so against travellers. AIBU to think that this is the ‘joke’? Anti Roma sentiment is unfortunately widespread.

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ExtraOnion · 07/02/2022 18:30

@Mouthymum82

Humour should not be censored. It’s called freedom of speech. If you don’t like it, you can always watch something else.
Anything else we shouldn’t censor - or just things that some people find funny? Is racism now allowed, as long as there is a punchline ? Can I start using racist / homophobic / discriminatory language in everyday life, as long as someone finds it funny ?

Ricky Gervais uses the word “Mong” .. is it ok that he uses it, as he has a Netflix Special - or is it free reign on that ?

Snoozysnoozy · 07/02/2022 18:40

170+ messages and nobody had mentioned the fact that he goes on to further insult Jehovah's Witnesses. Meaning that an awful lot of you either haven't watched the show and don't know the context, set up and follow up; or you have seen the test and saw the part about Jehovah's Witnesses and don't give a fuck.

Agrudge · 07/02/2022 18:45

@Snoozysnoozy

170+ messages and nobody had mentioned the fact that he goes on to further insult Jehovah's Witnesses. Meaning that an awful lot of you either haven't watched the show and don't know the context, set up and follow up; or you have seen the test and saw the part about Jehovah's Witnesses and don't give a fuck.
This is half the problem what's being said is taken out the context of the segment he was doing.

I haven't watched it yet but will do

MeSanniesareBrannies · 07/02/2022 20:32

@Mouthymum82

Humour should not be censored. It’s called freedom of speech. If you don’t like it, you can always watch something else.
We don’t have freedom of speech in this country. We have a qualified right to freedom of expression, which may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society.
CPL593H · 07/02/2022 20:35

This is off topic but not really. In one of his books Stuart Maconie talks about filming in Yorkshire and someone (not part of the production) made a 'joke' about the Moors murders. He said the whole crew, consisting of arty, edgy London creative types fell into a horrified silence. Noone laughed.

I think this is what bothers me most. Jimmy Carr's audience laughed and applauded. Maybe some of them realised any ironic tone he meant, maybe some will think about it later and challenge themselves and find out more, but I am very sure that many of the audience and those who've seen it since will laugh because they don't give a damn about the genocide of the Roma and Sinti. There have been comments on this thread (thankfully only a few) that talked about negative experience of travellers/ some traveller behaviour in a way that is utterly grotesque in the context of the mass murder he referenced.

The hate is real and it doesn't need feeding in the name of 'humour'. I am certain, though, that everyone in that audience would have personal a cut off point where he went too far, because everyone has one. I applaud those standing up for the memory of hundreds of thousands of innocent people who have been turned into a cheap "Oooo this will end my career" joke by a dark haired version of Max Headroom. I'm sure he won't be offended by that comparison, nothing off limits, remember?

Againstmachine · 07/02/2022 20:48

170+ messages and nobody had mentioned the fact that he goes on to further insult Jehovah's Witnesses. Meaning that an awful lot of you either haven't watched the show and don't know the context, set up and follow up; or you have seen the test and saw the part about Jehovah's Witnesses and don't give a fuck.

Because most people complaining haven't watched a minute of it and are being offended by what they are told.

CPL593H · 07/02/2022 21:38

@Againstmachine

170+ messages and nobody had mentioned the fact that he goes on to further insult Jehovah's Witnesses. Meaning that an awful lot of you either haven't watched the show and don't know the context, set up and follow up; or you have seen the test and saw the part about Jehovah's Witnesses and don't give a fuck.

Because most people complaining haven't watched a minute of it and are being offended by what they are told.

What happened to "If you don't like it, don't watch"? I've seen the portion being discussed here. I didn't like it and I'm not going to watch any more.
Againstmachine · 07/02/2022 21:45

What happened to "If you don't like it, don't watch"? I've seen the portion being discussed here. I didn't like it and I'm not going to watch any more.

The problem is most complaining haven't watched any of it they are complaining and jumping on a bandwagon

CPL593H · 07/02/2022 23:53

OK. I felt it only right after previous comments to watch the section on the Jehovah's Witnesses and to be honest, I think it goes even further from any valid point he could claim as 'education', in terms of mockery in search of a laugh.

Thank you to the people who pointed this out.

Balaboostah · 08/02/2022 00:53

@Againstmachine

What happened to "If you don't like it, don't watch"? I've seen the portion being discussed here. I didn't like it and I'm not going to watch any more.

The problem is most complaining haven't watched any of it they are complaining and jumping on a bandwagon

I don't think that's a problem! The way it's described captures very well what Carr did and said. To a certain extent, we need comedians like Carr to shine a mirror at us and see the ugliness which is there, intentionally or not. The fact that there were gales of laughter from the audience. I can totally see Carr making an offensive joke about Jews or Blacks but I can also the audience reacting differently. I don't think it was a funny joke and I'm not sure it's "educational" component justifies the offence. I don't find his other 'edgy' jokes about rape etc funny either. But intent is important and it's not like he's writing jokes for 'der spiegel' or making jokes about tutsis being cockroaches on Radio Libre des Milles Collines. The racism, ignorance and prejudice exist and it's good to talk about it (although shame it took an offensive joke to do so).
WingingItSince1973 · 08/02/2022 18:20

@Snoozysnoozy

170+ messages and nobody had mentioned the fact that he goes on to further insult Jehovah's Witnesses. Meaning that an awful lot of you either haven't watched the show and don't know the context, set up and follow up; or you have seen the test and saw the part about Jehovah's Witnesses and don't give a fuck.
Yep so many threads about this, so many comments on other platforms yet no one mentions the comments about JWs at the end. So either not watched it or don't think they are worthwhile mentioning which means that it doesn't matter they also was persecute and killed in the Holocaust
Againstmachine · 08/02/2022 20:13

So either not watched it or don't think they are worthwhile mentioning which means that it doesn't matter they also was persecute and killed in the Holocaust

I think it's they haven't watched and getting triggered by the headlines.

SnowFlo · 08/02/2022 20:57

Hey, Jimmy, just so you know in future, a joke is supposed to be funny.

And people laughed, therefore it was funny to them. Humour is subjective. I find Only Fools and Horses funny but plenty don't and will say it's "not funny". Funny isn't a fact, it's an opinion.

VestaTilley · 08/02/2022 20:59

It’s disgraceful what he said - it’s not acceptable and it shouldn’t have been made.

If the joke was meant to expose the double standard then that’s a bloody insulting way of making the point.

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