Jimmy Carr’s Racist Joke

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www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/04/jimmy-carr-condemned-for-joke-about-gypsies-in-netflix-special

Not something that I find funny but it has highlighted something. Racism against Roma/Sinti people is widely acceptable and not treated in the same away as racism against other minorities. Years ago I worked for a local authority in an area with a fair few traveller sites and noticed that staff that would never dream of using slurs against black or Asian people openly did so against travellers. AIBU to think that this is the ‘joke’? Anti Roma sentiment is unfortunately widespread.

I do not think he should be allowed to get away with this as if this was said about anybody else people would be outraged.

Why what do you think should happen then. If he shouldn't getaway what's the punishment.

There is a good sketch by Steve Hughes about being offended. Do you know what happend when you are offended nothing happens all it is is you are offended

So rather than a conversation about White Male Privilege its yes you can/no you can't be racist to White people.

Oh do give over it's not about that at all.

It's funny though. Humour doesn't have to be right on. He's also correct to say it's raising awareness that not just Jews died in the holocaust.

@DeeCeeCherry

It's not a conversation about "white male privilege"

It a conversation about a joke made that some people dont like

So white women wearing long skirts and bangles is cultural appropriation? What utter tripe,

Isn’t the point being made Jimmy Carr will get away with it it will harm his career for a bit but there will be comedians who will come out and support him. He will make a statement and lay low for a bit

Would Mo the Comedian get away with it I doubt it. Would it be aired by Netflix no I don’t think so

So white women wearing long skirts and bangles is cultural appropriation? What utter tripe

Yep it's sorta cultural appropriation to appropriate them even though long skirts and braclets existed before that.

@lesleylol

So white women wearing long skirts and bangles is cultural appropriation? What utter tripe,

So you just chose to ignore the rest of that sentence then did you? I said white women dressing that way AND THEN referring to themselves as “gypsies” is wrong because wearing a maxi skirt and bangles doesn’t make you “a gypsy”.

Who is Mo the comedian or do you mean Mo Gillingham, it's strange we keep refering to him this way as we aren't on on insta.

There's a difference between Roma & "travellers".
The first dislike the second as much as settled people.

[quote trunktoes]@JuicySatsuma85 eh? What colour are Jews then? What the fuck?[/quote]
What the hell are you on about?

Jewish people and white people aren’t ethnically the same. My skin colour is “white” but I’m Roma. You can be Hispanic and light skinned. Surely you know the difference between ethnically white people and light skinned people races? You know there are ethnic differences between Jewish people, Roma people and white people surely??

Roma people originate from India but are mostly light skinned nowadays. Jewish people originate from the Middle East.

I am shocked after seeing what David Baddiel did to that footballer and Frank Skinner on their show. Hearing how that footballer felt and his family due to Baddiel and Skinner's show is just horrible.They kept doing it on and on and the footballer had to endure horrible abusive songs at football games because of Baddiel putting a pinapple on his head and making fun of this footballer. I had no idea Baddiel had done this. That is racist but it is also extreme bullying and like the thing that that horrible man from Bo Selecta did to Craig David all the time. Non-stop bullying and put downs and that is an extreme form of bullying. Jimmy Carr is not funny and uses one liners with just sarcasm and put downs to get a laugh.

In its most simplistic definition, racism is prejudice or discrimination directed at someone of a different race – based on the belief that your own race is superior.

Taking this definition at its word, then, would suggest that it is possible for a person of any race to experience racism if someone treats them badly for this reason – even white people.

But this definition of racism leaves out one crucial element: The power structures that uphold and perpetuate racism.

Racism doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists within a hierarchical structure with power at its core. Racism only works because one group has power and other groups do not.

Stereotypes and negative beliefs about white people are examples of racial prejudice – but not racism.

Which, to be clear, is still wrong. Prejudice directed at any group based on a set of pre-conceived assumptions is never a good thing, and almost always leads to behaviour that is hurtful and causes harm.

The difference between racial prejudice and racism is the lack of any power structure weighted in favour of a particular race.

Literally read any book about racism written by people who have properly experienced it and not just had a black comedian say “white people don’t know how to season food”.

@Againstmachine

Who is Mo the comedian or do you mean Mo Gillingham, it's strange we keep refering to him this way as we aren't on on insta.

I have no idea who Mo Gillingham is but if you mean a man called Mo Gilligan who uses the alias Mo The Comedian across different media platforms including radio and TV yes that's him

*Jewish people and white people aren’t ethnically the same. My skin colour is “white” but I’m Roma. You can be Hispanic and light skinned. Surely you know the difference between ethnically white people and light skinned people races? You know there are ethnic differences between Jewish people, Roma people and white people surely??

Roma people originate from India but are mostly light skinned nowadays. Jewish people originate from the Middle East.*

You can say much same about Jewish people many are very light skinned due to century's of time in Europe and marriages, breeding ect many Jews you are hard pressed to tell they are Jewish.

BTW my late husband (he died very recently) was a Romany. I know exactly what he would have said, and none of it would have been good about this person. I might get my ma-in -law to curse this so-called comedian.

@Againstmachine that's ridiculous. Anyone can wear long skirts and bracelets.

have no idea who Mo Gillingham is but if you mean a man called Mo Gilligan who uses the alias Mo The Comedian across different media platforms including radio and TV yes that's him smile

I actually spelt it correctly but it spellchecked me.

What happens if there is another Mo who is a comedian. How about just call him his name

And, yes ma-in-law does believe she can curse people.

@Againstmachine that's ridiculous. Anyone can wear long skirts and bracelets.

I agree itt wasn't me calling it cultural appropriation.

@namechangehistory

I come from travellers my grandparents were travellers when children but settled into permanenthousing, and so I care a little bit more about it, but when they show up at local park and nearly hit my kids with their cars on the grass and their mopeds or motor bike things then I think "fuck you!". And then I feel bad because there is literally nowhere you can live in this planet for free and I think they are standing up to that and that's good. But then they leave their rubbish and shit on tissues where my kids play and think "fuck you" again. So it's half and half.

But then plenty of people fly tip and litter and drive motorbikes for fun in the parks anyway so 🤷
So I don't care about travellers and think that they shouldn't be discriminated against but in reality some are arse holes and make a mess, breaking down fences etc. So again I don't know. It's a tough one.

'Half and half'? that's racist, ring card if your grandparents were travellers

l can' t stand his "humour" at the best of times and how anyone could ever find his "jokes" funny is sickening, but it got him the attention he so desperately craves that he would never be able to achieve without stooping so low.

'Half and half'? confused that's racist, ring card if your grandparents were travellers

What the hell she never said that she said she agrees parts of behaviour but not others. Its like 6 of 1 and half a dozen.

Some people clutch at straws.