To think Camilla should not be crowned Queen

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I know there are other threads on this but I thought it would be interesting to get a vote. Seems most people are in favour. I'm not

They’ve been married 17 years and in all that time she has been an active member of the Royal Family, very near the top in terms of number of engagements carried out. She’s also come across as very dignified in the face of a lot of criticism and seems genuinely interested in the events she goes to (and tbh even if that is just an act well more power to her for being so convincing)

We’ve moved on from the days of Wallis Simpson and divorce being such a scandal and let us not continue the lie that Diana was such a saint.

All kings spouses have been known as Queen. It’s just how it works.

@DrSbaitso

If she outlives Charles, wouldn’t she be Dowager Queen?

Yes, but I think it's only used if needed to distinguish between two queens of the same name (apparently the Queen Mother loathed the term 'dowager queen', hence being 'Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother' to distinguish her from her daughter.) So Camilla would presumably go on being 'Queen Camilla' after Charles dies and William takes the crown (alongside his consort Queen Katherine).

I think Queen Mary went on being called 'Her Majesty Queen Mary' throughout her life (as obviously, she didn't share a name with either of her successors).

@Blossomtoes

No, she’d technically be Queen Mother but, given her immense tact I imagine that would be negotiated with the King and there would be agreement on her title.

She wouldn't, though, as William isn't her child (or indeed a queen!)

@AlexaShutUp

I like Camilla, I'd love to have a few gins with her.

She definitely looks like she'd be more fun than most of them!

Can I come?

But she wouldn't be the Queen Mother, so she couldn't use that term?

Queen MIL? I can see MN loving that 😆

She wouldn't, though, as William isn't her child (or indeed a queen!)

The Queen part refers to the holder of the title.

^^ On the thinking she’d be a good laugh: I remember reading years ago a post from an MNer who had met her at some charity gig. Camilla did, apparently, have an excellent sense of humour; and when she (Camilla) went to leave she gave an enthusiastic wave and promptly knocked her own hat flying in doing so, and had a good old laugh at herself. I can warm to somebody like that. I’ve met her very briefly as she is / was patron of a couple of the charities I’m involved with, and she always makes a particular effort to speak properly with people.

@Blossomtoes

No, she’d technically be Queen Mother but, given her immense tact I imagine that would be negotiated with the King and there would be agreement on her title.

No she wouldn't.

She would be Queen Camilla and/or The Dowager Queen.

Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother was an unusual title and only really used because there were two Queen Elizabeths and the Queen Mother was widowed fairly young and didn't like the title Dowager Queen as it seemed old.

Most widowed Queens have just continued to be known as Queen and their name e.g. Queen Mary and Queen Alexandra.

@Blossomtoes

She wouldn't, though, as William isn't her child (or indeed a queen!)

The Queen part refers to the holder of the title.

It doesn't

I can’t believe how invested some people are in this. Still I guess it’s a welcome distraction from the shitshow being enacted in Downing Street.

It doesn't

It does.

@Blossomtoes

It doesn't

It does.

No, a 'queen mother' is a former queen who is mother of the current monarch.

Clever bloke on Quora explains for those who can be bothered to read:

www.quora.com/Would-Camilla-be-the-king-s-mother-if-William-came-into-power-and-she-was-still-alive

Apparently when the time comes, Wills can give her a new name if he wants to. Hopefully we won't get that far.

I actually feel that Charles should not be king but nothing to do with the Diana situation. If the queen lives as long as her mother Charles will be 79 when he takes the throne. Given that he is male he will probably be 90 at best when he dies. It costs Millons of taxpayers money to change the sovereign ( cost of coronation, change of money and court papers etc) and we will have 2 changes of sovereign in 12 years which the country cannot afford.

It costs Millons of taxpayers money to change the sovereign ( cost of coronation, change of money and court papers etc)

The cost of changes in money and court documentation are negligible. I’m struggling to see that a coronation would cost any more than a royal wedding. And we haven’t had to pay for one for 70 years so it all evens out really. There was only 17 years between the last two coronations.

@NiceShrubbery

How does their 'back-pedalling' impact your life?

Exactly the same way as paying for benefits cheats (NB: cheats, not justified recipients) affects yours, ours and everybody else's. Precious resources going where they are not needed.

Exactly what resources go into calling her Queen Consort rather than Princess Consort? If anything there's a bit of a saving because the word is shorter.

@NiceShrubbery

That’s got nothing to do with what PP said which was specifically equating Camilla’s change in future title to benefit fraud.

Not sure which pp that was, nor do I care, but my point is that the whole Queen Consort thing/Liz's endorsement of whatever Camilla needs to be called now, is a) planted by the media so the plebs keep sucking it up and talking about how deserving Camilla is instead of what a bellend Charles is, as demonstrated beautifully on this thread already, and b) to secure the future unnecessary flow of taxpayer funds into royal coffers.

Benefits cheats, the lot of them.

And how is any of that changed by calling her a Queen Consort?

You really need to be on a separate thread about whether we need a monarchy at all.

Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother was an unusual title and only really used because there were two Queen Elizabeths and the Queen Mother was widowed fairly young and didn't like the title Dowager Queen as it seemed old.

It wasn't so much that she hated the dowager title but that Queen Mary was still alive so there was already one Queen Dowager. They had to find another designation for Elizabeth.

No, a 'queen mother' is a former queen who is mother of the current monarch.

I think that was what @Blossomtoes was saying - i.e. she would be queen mother because of her own title as queen, she wouldn't be king mother.

I’m more worried about Charles being in charge!!!

@DePfeffoff

No, a 'queen mother' is a former queen who is mother of the current monarch.

I think that was what @Blossomtoes was saying - i.e. she would be queen mother because of her own title as queen, she wouldn't be king mother.

I was. I just let it go 🤷‍♀️

@katedan

I actually feel that Charles should not be king but nothing to do with the Diana situation. If the queen lives as long as her mother Charles will be 79 when he takes the throne. Given that he is male he will probably be 90 at best when he dies. It costs Millons of taxpayers money to change the sovereign ( cost of coronation, change of money and court papers etc) and we will have 2 changes of sovereign in 12 years which the country cannot afford.

His father made it to 95, and his grandmother to 101.

The length of time between coronations is totally irrelevant. You could, after all, look on it on the basis that we've saved a bit through the length of time since the last coronation. When you have a long reign, if the monarch's child succeeds it's almost inevitable that it will be a short reign. After all, Edward VII only lasted 10 years. And there's no guarantee that, if the throne passed directly to William, he would live a long time; his maternal grandfather died at 68, and that's before you consider all the other potential causes of premature death.

I suspect that, actually, a coronation is quite a money spinner in terms of the tourist and other income it brings into the country, to say nothing of all those tacky souvenir sales.

@ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor

I’m more worried about Charles being in charge!!!

He won't be in charge, though, will he? After all, if the Queen were in charge I suspect she'd have told Johnson to sling his hook a long, long time ago.

The media have planted the queen consort story so we keep talking about Camilla, bigged up by Liz as a royal asset, rather than about the many royal liabilities which are far more important to talk about. Classic distraction.

It's a non-story and non-event, whatever she ends up being called.

@NiceShrubbery

The media have planted the queen consort story so we keep talking about Camilla, bigged up by Liz as a royal asset, rather than about the many royal liabilities which are far more important to talk about. Classic distraction.

It's a non-story and non-event, whatever she ends up being called.

The media planted it? How odd. I thought it was in a letter signed by the Queen.