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To think Camilla should not be crowned Queen

483 replies

Viviennemary · 06/02/2022 00:41

I know there are other threads on this but I thought it would be interesting to get a vote. Seems most people are in favour. I'm not

OP posts:
Cocomarine · 06/02/2022 10:46

The very idea of a poll 😭
If you believe in democracy and people getting an actual say in this, then you’ve missed the point of monarchy.
They can, as ever, do what the fuck they like regardless of my opinion.

TheKeatingFive · 06/02/2022 10:46

Both Diana and Meghan come from privileged backgrounds but there are very clear differences so of course Meghan isn't given the benefit of the doubt.

Very strange reasoning here. As an aristo with an extremely well connected family, Diana would have had far more of window than a woman who grew up in a totally different culture in another country.

MsAgnesDiPesto · 06/02/2022 10:46

@millytint44

I literally can't think about the 2 of them without the whole 'i want to be your tampax' conversation. 🤦‍♀️
I guarantee you wouldn’t be able to look most of your friends and their partners in the face if someone illegally found a way to make public the things they say between themselves.
Cluckingtell · 06/02/2022 10:47

I voted YABU - I really don't know why people can so much about a family that spends their days cutting ribbons, smiling and shaking hands.

cakeambush · 06/02/2022 10:47

@CarrieBlue

Camilla should already be able to use her rightful title of Princess of Wales. Since she will be consort of the King she shouldn’t be denied another title because of faux sentiment for a publicity hungry woman who died 25 years ago because she didn’t wear a seatbelt.
This is so spot on I wish I'd written it myself
ApricotPeony · 06/02/2022 10:47

If Henry VIII can stay king after chopping heads and having 6 wives it's fine for Camilla to be queen consort

2022sucksalready · 06/02/2022 10:51

Yabu on two fronts. First on thinking this, second in not giving a reason why you think this way. Very lazy.

ClariceQuiff · 06/02/2022 10:52

@Elphame

The Duke of Edinburgh only had the title "Prince Philip" as he was a royal prince in his own right rather than the title being the result of his marriage to Elizabeth.
Not quite true - he renounced his birth princeships on marriage, and was made the Duke of Edinburgh, and took that style. A few years later, he was made a Prince of the UK and from that point was styled Prince Philip.
maddiemookins16mum · 06/02/2022 10:53

@maddiemookins16mum

20 plus years ago I might have said no way. Now, with the passing of time, I think she should be. She’s Charles’ wife, probably a decent step mother to William and Harvey and I’ve warmed to er. That said, it will make not one difference to my life whatever happens.
I’m not sure who Harvey is ha ha 🤗
NiceShrubbery · 06/02/2022 10:57

[quote LagunaBubbles]@32NiceShrubbery

Does it really matter? What will happen will happen no idea why some people seem to care so much.

Yes of course it matters

For decades, people have ignored who was in power, who was pulling the strings and who was directing the money supply.
We ended up with Boris, Toryshambles and the RF embroiled in an international paedophile ring. Happy?

What on earth has that got to do with whether Camilla should be called a word Queen or not!

And as for ending up with Boris and the Tories (again nothing to do with Camilla) that will because of the amount of people in England that voted for them, here in Scotland you will agree...they are not so popular lol.[/quote]
It's got a lot to do with it. The Tories are the main supporters of the royal pantomime. All part of the same medieval system of bestowing pointless titles on people to give superficial legitimacy to their worthless status and allow them to cling onto what's "theirs" purely because they say it is. Queen Consort or "Sir" Gavin uselessfuckwit Williamson: all decided by a woman who imposed her dysfunctional family on the UK for 50 years. We never asked her to "serve" us!!!

It's all a massive game to the RF. Like little kids standing on chairs at parties, dressing up and tapping each other with plastic swords. Why do you want to live in a joke kingdom?

RishiRich · 06/02/2022 10:57

YABU. If we're going to have a monarchy, the titles apply no matter the opinion anyone holds of the particular person holding the title. That's the whole point.

Personally, I quite like Camilla. I think she works hard and seems like a laugh.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 06/02/2022 10:59

I don't have a problem with Camilla now. I never really did. If she and Charles had had more bottle when they were younger they should have got together. The mistake they made was marrying other people. It probably didn't damage Andrew Parker-Bowles that much as he just got on with it but it mucked up Diana's life - and let's not forget she wasn't perfect herself, but I feel so sorry for the life she had and the ending of it.

Camilla and Charles are and always were right for one another, Charles and Diana weren't. That's the top and bottom of it. I don't mind her being queen.

DePfeffoff · 06/02/2022 10:59

I'm also aggrieved at the fact they publicly stated when Charles and Camilla got married that she would not be Queen but instead would be known as Princess consort (in the same way of Prince Philip and Prince Albert) and now the Queen herself had gone back on that.

Why be aggrieved? It was something said almost 17 years ago, circumstances change. It's not like it was some sort of binding deal with the British public giving something in exchange.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 06/02/2022 11:05

I’ve always wondered this! Why they always refer to Kate as future queen, but he was never king??

Pure sexism. The husband of a reigning queen was never known as a king, whereas the wife of a reigning king was. It should be changed now in line with the changes to premogeniture when Kate had her children.

Iwab82 · 06/02/2022 11:06

Surely Queen consort is just what the wife of the king is called and not the same as being queen??? The biggest news to.me was that Charles was going to be King as I though they were brewing up to William taking over straight away. I think Charles is doing it so William can prioritise his family for a bit longer. Have a feeling neither are overly keen to take over.

Phormiumjester · 06/02/2022 11:06

It doesn't really make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

I don't see what good withholding a title would do.

She seems a reasonably hard working royal, as they go. Can't blame her and not him.

If she can't have the title because of adultery then neither can he! Unless misogyny...

GladysAndFred · 06/02/2022 11:06

I'm watching the Crown on Netflix right now, and I don't like Camilla in it, so I voted YANBU 😅

HTH1 · 06/02/2022 11:06

I think let Camilla be Queen Consort, as the Queen wishes.

She has been married to Charles for many years now, sad as the situation with Diana was. Charles and Diana were basically forced to marry and, if left to their own devices, I’m guessing Charles and Camilla would always have married each other and there would have been no Charles and Diana. Anyway, it’s a legal entitlement so morals wouldn’t really come into it.

Phormiumjester · 06/02/2022 11:08

@GladysAndFred

I'm watching the Crown on Netflix right now, and I don't like Camilla in it, so I voted YANBU 😅
But I absolutely love Emerald Fennel! Nooooo...
BorisKilledMyHusband · 06/02/2022 11:08

@SenecaFallsRedux

Henry, Lord Darnley, the husband of Mary Queen of Scots, was made King Consort of Scotland.
And that ended well, didn’t it?
HTH1 · 06/02/2022 11:11

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron

I’ve always wondered this! Why they always refer to Kate as future queen, but he was never king??

Pure sexism. The husband of a reigning queen was never known as a king, whereas the wife of a reigning king was. It should be changed now in line with the changes to premogeniture when Kate had her children.

I think the problem would be if, say, Prince Philip had been made the king and then the Queen pre-deceased him (so left someone who was not royal by blood as the monarch).

They got round that one with the Queen Mother though by changing her title to that when her husband died. It would be a bit odd to change someone’s title from King to King Father/King Mother so that’s probably why they stuck with Prince 😂

HTH1 · 06/02/2022 11:12

Or should that be King Father/Queen Father? 🤔

Maireas · 06/02/2022 11:13

The Queen Mother was always Queen Elizabeth. They used the QM title as there were two Elizabeths. To distinguish between the regnant and the consort of the deceased monarch.

theDudesmummy · 06/02/2022 11:15

For those who say it does not matter, it actually does, but not in the way you might mean. I don't mean I care a hoot about any of them. But you either keep the institution with all its conventions and and rules, or you don't (preferably you don't). If the institution stands, who is in what position is not down to the public's opinion. The successsion depends on who was born in what position in the family, and the consort situation depends on who that person decided to marry. The qualities or otherwise of those people have precisely nothing to do with it. That is why it is a ridiculous system of course.

There is a bit of a caveat to that though, in that the Duke of Windsor, while not pushed by the public, was not just forced into abdication by the establishment just because of his choice of wife, but probably more importantly because of his Nazi leanings. So there, there was in that case an aspect of the individual's qualities having a bearing, or so it seems.

The whole thing is ridiculous in this day and age, and a symptom of what is wrong with the country (England in particular). (I am English but have left).

anniegun · 06/02/2022 11:27

If you accept we have a monarchy determined by inheritance and marriage you must realise you then get no choice in these matters