Part 6 A thread for the continued enjoyment of Boris' downfall, enjoyment being important

[jgw1]

What the title says.

This will be the one where he resigns, so if please keep the whatabout to a minimum.

He was still more competent than Johnson.

@Notonthestairs

Well that's flushed out an interesting take. I think I see your posts a bit more clearly now Boody. Judging achievements based on 50/60 year old school grades. I guess that makes Raab a genius.

The fact of the matter is that John Major was always a plodder, good at rather small-scale fruitless initiatives (who now remembers his Citizens' Charter and his Cones Hotline?), but a total disaster when it came to big economic decisions (the debacle over the ERM wrecked his reputation and led to the biggest Tory election defeat since 1832).

@JaniieJones

'So I understand that to be at a party one has to be there for longer than 25minutes'

No but it needs to be a party. A party. 3 people and a laptop isn't a party. A few people in an office at work isn't a party.

God, watching Beth Rigby on sky news 'interviewing' the PM is just cringeworthy.

Oh right, well there was a poster on an early thread who was saying that if one was at a party for less than 25minutes one wasn't their, name began with J I think, but clearly you disagree. I disagree to as I think do most rational people.

Has the Prime Minister finally given a TV interview? Do share a link so we can all see how cringeworthy he was?
It has been so long since has done one, he is probably out of practice, or perhaps he doesn't do them often because everyone would see how rubbish he is at them?

@countrygirl99

He was still more competent than Johnson.

Not at having affairs he wasn't.

The fact of the matter is that John Major was always a plodder, good at rather small-scale fruitless initiatives (who now remembers his Citizens' Charter and his Cones Hotline?), but a total disaster when it came to big economic decisions (the debacle over the ERM wrecked his reputation and led to the biggest Tory election defeat since 1832).

You are so right. Yougov have Major as only disliked by 31% of the population whereas Boris is disliked by 56%. What a loser.

@countrygirl99

He was still more competent than Johnson.

The leader is put in place by his MPs. That is why most of them prefer an incompetent vote winner to one of the biggest vote losers in history - they lost 178 seats under Major in 1997.

'It's achIEvements'

Yes sorry my spag on chat forums on my phone without my glasses on isn't brilliant I'll admit. I love a spag pedant 🙄.

" I love a spag pedant "

Me too, JaniieJones .

Maybe the people marking Major's exam papers had mislaid their specs, too? Or maybe he'd mislaid his?

Not at having affairs he wasn't.

Is the test of having an affair being able to keep quiet about it? I recall that even Spitting Image didn't get on to him. They got close-ish, trying to make out that Major was having a thing with Gillian Shephard.

@AuldAlliance

Maybe the people marking Major's exam papers had mislaid their specs, too? Or maybe he'd mislaid his?

The thing I remember most clearly about John Major was his attempt to push UK interest rates up to 15% on Black Wednesday, in a futile attempt to replace the pound sterling with the euro.

But was there anything wrong with the speech he gave today Boody? If so, please tell.

The thing I remember most clearly about John Major was his attempt to push UK interest rates up to 15% on Black Wednesday, in a futile attempt to replace the pound sterling with the euro

I thought that Norman Lamont was Chancellor on Black Wednesday? Or are you saying the PM was also responsible for the fiasco? Some on here are adamant that the PM is just a kind of messenger and is not responsible for anything...

Turns out a man with only 3 O-levels can see Johnson is a schyster who is ruining the country. I suspect a man with no O-levels could easily come to that conclusion as well.

@DuncinToffee

But was there anything wrong with the speech he gave today Boody? If so, please tell.

As I have already said, his proclamation that "Boris Johnson and his officials "broke lockdown laws" over parties held in Downing Street" as if the entire country has not been aware of that for some weeks. Stating the bleeding obvious is not very clever and just leaves one wondering where he has been to think that this is some kind of revelation.

Stating the bleeding obvious is not very clever and just leaves one wondering where he has been to think that this is some kind of revelation.

Didn't you understand the relevance of that within the speech? Bless.

There was a lot more than parties in that speech.

@ClaudineClare

The thing I remember most clearly about John Major was his attempt to push UK interest rates up to 15% on Black Wednesday, in a futile attempt to replace the pound sterling with the euro

I thought that Norman Lamont was Chancellor on Black Wednesday? Or are you saying the PM was also responsible for the fiasco? Some on here are adamant that the PM is just a kind of messenger and is not responsible for anything...

Norman Lamont was indeed the chancellor, but everything had gone above his head by mid-day on Black Wednesday, by when Major had convened a group of five Tory grandees and got them to agree to raise interest rates to 12%. Later Lamont called Major to say the game was up, but Major disagreed and insisted interest rates should rise further to 15% - but that still left sterling outside the required ERM band. Major did not have a strong grasp of economics and didn't seem to realise that you don't make a strong economy my raising interest rates sky high - you first need a strong economy to make a strong currency. Anyway, by 7.30 or so, Major conceded defeat and the UK dropped out of the ERM.

The idea that the PM is "just a kind of messenger" is bizarre. Mind you, interest rates were taken out of the PM's hands to stop this sort of nonsense happening again.

@DuncinToffee

There was a lot more than parties in that speech.

Yes, but it is parties that figure in all the headlines.

The idea that the PM is "just a kind of messenger" is bizarre.

It is indeed bizarre, but this is what some stalwart supporters of Johnson have tried to claim.

"The thing I remember most clearly about John Major was his attempt to push UK interest rates up to 15% on Black Wednesday, in a futile attempt to replace the pound sterling with the euro"

You see that's just not true is it? Because if it was true it would have been the first thing you mentioned rather than his rather obscure O levels results. Google quicker.

He didn't just state the obvious he made it clear Johnson should resign, he underlined the stupidity of sending ministers out to cover up the parties and the resulting deflections and lies brought the government in to disrepute. It's damaged public health messages, probably irredeemably. Might not be important to you, it is to me.

He also highlighted the ridiculous not to mention dangerous position NI has been left in.

I'd still take 3 O levels Major over Johnson.

Some of us read beyond the headlines.

The fact of the matter is that John Major was always a plodder, good at rather small-scale fruitless initiatives

Odd. I always thought the Good Friday agreement, of which he was the architect, was quite a large scale and fruitful achievement.

I always thought the Good Friday agreement, of which he was the architect, was quite a large scale and fruitful achievement.

Yes, but let's face it - most English people don't give a shit about NI.

I always thought the Good Friday agreement, of which he was the architect, was quite a large scale and fruitful achievement.

Let’s face it, at this point ‘had bothered to read the legislation’ is an advance on Johnson.