Part 6 A thread for the continued enjoyment of Boris' downfall, enjoyment being important

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What the title says.

This will be the one where he resigns, so if please keep the whatabout to a minimum.

Will do. By the way, are you saying that the "Savile slur" was dreamt up by a civil servant?

No. Civil servants provide factual lines to take, not slurs. That sort of thing is the domain of Spads.

I am getting a bit suspicious of where this is going, btw. Are you sure you are a newbie and not a name changer?

By the way, are you saying that the "Savile slur" was dreamt up by a civil servant? Seriously?

No, it was dreamt up by far right social media accounts and repeated by the PM

Are you sure you are a newbie and not a name changer?

I had the same thought!!

Me too.

@ClaudineClare

Will do. By the way, are you saying that the "Savile slur" was dreamt up by a civil servant?

No. Civil servants provide factual lines to take, not slurs. That sort of thing is the domain of Spads.

I am getting a bit suspicious of where this is going, btw. Are you sure you are a newbie and not a name changer?

Are you sure you aren't Lobby Lud so that I can claim my five pounds?

I have to say, Clare, that this seems to be a very unfriendly place for a newbie - some resident poster apparently uses sarcasm, without telling us, now you accuse me of being a "name changer" whatever that is supposed to be.

It was fairly widely reported that various advisers tried to dissuade BJ form mentioning Savile in PMQ , wasn't it? So he definitely wasn't talking off the cuff : he planned to do it.

I have to say, Clare, that this seems to be a very unfriendly place for a newbie - some resident poster apparently uses sarcasm, without telling us, now you accuse me of being a "name changer" whatever that is supposed to be

Oh, don't take it to heart. It is just the cut and thrust of debate.

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

Interesting to see how effective the (clearly planned) Savile slur has been - it has replaced Johnson's lawbreaking at the forefront of people's minds and as a topic of discussion.

Britain Trump.

It has, but who has it stuck to in most peoples' minds Johnson or Saville?

*Are you sure you aren't Lobby Lud so that I can claim my five pounds?

I have to say, Clare, that this seems to be a very unfriendly place for a newbie - some resident poster apparently uses sarcasm, without telling us, now you accuse me of being a "name changer" whatever that is supposed to be.*

I believe everything I read on the internet so when a poster says that JRM through the goodness of his kind heart allows the opposition to ask questions and put forward motions I believe them.

Much in the same way that some people, apparently including the Prime Minister believe what they read on the internet about Jimmy Saville and Starmer.

My hope resides in Cummings having saved the worst for last in this war of attrition. It's Bozo, so we've only been treated the tip of the iceberg as yet, there will be reams of interesting material about our beloved leader. Just as they begin to relax and think we've all been sufficiently brainwashed anew, a Cummings bomb will fall. I think Cummings has more stamina than Bozo, more material to divulge and nothing to lose by blowing up Boz. And don't lecture me Boz lovers, if he behaved in even a half-civilised fashion, it wouldn't be possible for Cummings to do this.

@longwayoff

My hope resides in Cummings having saved the worst for last in this war of attrition. It's Bozo, so we've only been treated the tip of the iceberg as yet, there will be reams of interesting material about our beloved leader. Just as they begin to relax and think we've all been sufficiently brainwashed anew, a Cummings bomb will fall. I think Cummings has more stamina than Bozo, more material to divulge and nothing to lose by blowing up Boz. And don't lecture me Boz lovers, if he behaved in even a half-civilised fashion, it wouldn't be possible for Cummings to do this.

Oh how I hope you’re right.

Me too Blossom, I expect to have eaten my own, considerable, weight in popcorn before this is over.

On radio 4 More or Less this morning they were talking about how Bozo keeps repeating the lie about unemployment falling and the one about crime being 14% lower when its actually 14% higher. Someone from a fact checking organisation was saying they had written twice to the PM about this but he has since repeated the lie several times.

They were asking what can be done when a minister misleads parliament and refuses to correct the record. Apparently it involves asking an Urgent Question in the house and the Speaker intervening. They've written to the Speaker. I wonder if we will hear anything about this at PMQs today.

On More or Less they were talking about how this breaches the Ministerial code. I've never really heard talk like this on More or Less before. Everyone is tired of this blatant lying and rule-breaking. I've had it up to here...I'm so angry.

Slight derail, and my apologies, but can i ask the knowledgeable souls on this thread please.. What would be the job title /level of those employed to research and prep the PM and Leader of the Opposition for PMQ's?

@Wilkolampshade

Slight derail, and my apologies, but can i ask the knowledgeable souls on this thread please.. What would be the job title /level of those employed to research and prep the PM and Leader of the Opposition for PMQ's?

Senior civil servants such as the PM's Principal Private Secretary and various Spads, such as Harri and the Chief of Staff, Barclay.

The opposition don't have access to civil servants.

But Starmer probably has something similar to spads and his own researchers etc. I guess the Shadow cabinet briefs him, but I don't know, just guessing!

Thought you might enjoy this - Matthew Parris in The Times.

You can almost hear their mouths dry. I’m taking wicked pleasure, of a merciless driving examiner’s kind, in marking the performance of wretched government ministers and loyalist Tory backbenchers as in interviews they twist themselves into excruciating knots to defend the prime minister’s daft remarks about Sir Keir Starmer and Jimmy Savile. To test obedience, Shaka Zulu ordered his impi spear-carriers to march over cliffs’ edges to their deaths; and one can imagine that in some other universe, some other Boris Johnson is engaged in a sadistic exercise to explore the outer limits of his underlings’ capacity to make idiots of themselves in showing their loyalty to him.

His whole career may be seen as a progressive ratcheting-up of the levels of self-abasement that one human being can extract from his blushing apologists. I’m hoping that next week he may cartwheel naked down Whitehall, with a daffodil stuck up his bottom, shouting “Tom Daley is a tank-topped bum-boy and Princess Diana had it coming!” — and afterwards will sit channel-hopping in his bunker, stroking his dog as squirming ministers try to explain what the prime minister actually meant.

Research and other grunt work would be junior civil servants. Not sure if Johnson will also have researchers outwith the civil service though, like a junior Spad if such a thing exists?

Thanks @ClaudineClare - I only ask as DD would love to work in this area and as no-one we know has any connections v hard to glean info..

You can almost hear their mouths dry

If you listen to Philp being interviewed by Burley the other day you can definitely hear his mouth getting drier and drier!

@Blossomtoes

Thought you might enjoy this - Matthew Parris in The Times.

You can almost hear their mouths dry. I’m taking wicked pleasure, of a merciless driving examiner’s kind, in marking the performance of wretched government ministers and loyalist Tory backbenchers as in interviews they twist themselves into excruciating knots to defend the prime minister’s daft remarks about Sir Keir Starmer and Jimmy Savile. To test obedience, Shaka Zulu ordered his impi spear-carriers to march over cliffs’ edges to their deaths; and one can imagine that in some other universe, some other Boris Johnson is engaged in a sadistic exercise to explore the outer limits of his underlings’ capacity to make idiots of themselves in showing their loyalty to him.

His whole career may be seen as a progressive ratcheting-up of the levels of self-abasement that one human being can extract from his blushing apologists. I’m hoping that next week he may cartwheel naked down Whitehall, with a daffodil stuck up his bottom, shouting “Tom Daley is a tank-topped bum-boy and Princess Diana had it coming!” — and afterwards will sit channel-hopping in his bunker, stroking his dog as squirming ministers try to explain what the prime minister actually meant.

Is Matthew Parris commenting on ministers or posters to this thread?

@Wilkolampshade

Thanks *@ClaudineClare* - I only ask as DD would love to work in this area and as no-one we know has any connections v hard to glean info..

She could try applying for a civil service job in Whitehall. If she is a graduate there is the fast stream too.

www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi

www.faststream.gov.uk/

But many of the questions are not about hot topics of the previous few days. Many are on relatively obscure constituency-specific matters

But even then it can't be so obscure that civil servants/advisers can't make an educated guess. There are local papers, local campaign groups with websites and Facebook pages, the party in power will have local constituency offices, there are probably local councillors from their party. The MP concerned may well have have been raising local issues with individual government departments already. None of this is difficult to find out.

Pippa Crerar
EXCL: New bombshell image shows Boris Johnson with open bottle of bubbly at No 10 Christmas quiz

twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1491385298777153536?s=21

That was just mentioned in PMQs, Johnson brushed it off, said the MP who mentioned it was "in error" (at least I think that is what he said).