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Boris Downfall Part 5

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Rinoachicken · 31/01/2022 16:34

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Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 20:06

@LizzieW1969

That was in reply to *@derxa and @DuncinToffee*. I wasn’t clear there.

Clearly the thread has moved on now. And very depressing, it looks like we’re stuck with BoJo now. Sad

Longer term, that may well prove to be the best option, no point winning the battle but losing the war.

Very happy when May went but she was an angel compared to Bojob.

TomPinch · 31/01/2022 20:11

Who says they will lose the war? The next general election is a long way off. People will forget.

Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 20:12

But i don't support BJ

So what, you vote for Tory policies and therefore support things like taxing the poor, not feeding hungry children during summer hols, allowing billions to be fraudulently claimed and you also support a PM partying (whether you accept it or not) whilst the vast majority tried to protect their other more vulnerable people.

LizzieW1969 · 31/01/2022 20:13

Point taken re winning the war. I don’t think the public will forget about this, as Johnson’s supporters hope they will. Hopefully it will lead to the Tories losing the next GE, if he’s still leading then.

Abhannmor · 31/01/2022 20:14

The backbenchers are angry but chicken. BJ won a landslide ; would Truss or Sunak ? They're on the horns of a dilemma

Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 20:15

@TomPinch

Who says they will lose the war? The next general election is a long way off. People will forget.
V. true but a change of leader will mean people will most definitely "move on" and any new leader can just say that was in the past & nothing to do with me.

So long as BJ is leader, he will never escape the charge of hypocrisy and that will help the opposition win the next GE..

Blossomtoes · 31/01/2022 20:15

@TomPinch

Who says they will lose the war? The next general election is a long way off. People will forget.
They won’t. There are local elections in May, let’s see how many people have forgotten when they go to the ballot box, shall we?
TomPinch · 31/01/2022 20:18

I truly hope you're right

Roussette · 31/01/2022 20:18

OF COURSE the public won't forget, this is a biggie because people have suffered terribly and the Tories have stuck two fingers up to them and shown they don't care.

Some will never change their allegiance whatever BJ or the party does but this will have a massive effect on voters I think

cakeorwine · 31/01/2022 20:23

@Roussette

OF COURSE the public won't forget, this is a biggie because people have suffered terribly and the Tories have stuck two fingers up to them and shown they don't care.

Some will never change their allegiance whatever BJ or the party does but this will have a massive effect on voters I think

That's the million dollar question.

Along with how they tackle the cost of living crisis which does not just affect the low paid. Something they haven't realised yet.

Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 20:23

Very moving interview from Ruth Davidson on ch4, no wonder she attracted people in Scotland to vote Tory but she sounds more like a member of the opposition now.

ClaudineClare · 31/01/2022 20:24

For any one who might be interested the full text of the debate is on Hansard. It is shocking to see some of what Johnson said in black and white,especially the Saville reference.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-01-31/debates/6B412B49-AB7D-4FE3-9F82-B9EAE93FB6AC/SueGrayReport

derxa · 31/01/2022 20:28

@Alexandra2001

Very moving interview from Ruth Davidson on ch4, no wonder she attracted people in Scotland to vote Tory but she sounds more like a member of the opposition now.
I presume she voted Tory at the last election so she supports all the things you accuse me of... So what, you vote for Tory policies and therefore support things like taxing the poor, not feeding hungry children during summer hols, allowing billions to be fraudulently claimed and you also support a PM partying (whether you accept it or not) whilst the vast majority tried to protect their other more vulnerable people.
Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 20:34

Considering she was dead against Brexit and quit as Scottish tory leader over that and BJ, thats debatable.

You on the other hand back the party all the way? just have an issue with their leader.

CSWife · 31/01/2022 20:36

Copied from twitter GrinGrinGrin

Boris Downfall Part 5
DuncinToffee · 31/01/2022 20:36

Johnson's next excuse to avoid PMQs?

Liz Truss has tested positive for covid. She attended the packed meeting of Tory MPs and ministers in Portcullis House this evening, leaving before it finished. She was not wearing a mask.

echt · 31/01/2022 20:42

He doesn't even say sorry:

I will address the report’s findings in this statement, but first I want to say sorry. I am sorry for the things we simply did not get right and sorry for the way this matter has been handled

Not getting things right is not the same as saying he did wrong.

THEN. Let's move on the bigger issue of how it was handled. This could well mean not being smart enough on the cover-up, but look how he just won't apologise.

It is no use saying that this or that was within the rules

Er..... yes it, that's kind of the point.

derxa · 31/01/2022 20:47

@Alexandra2001

Considering she was dead against Brexit and quit as Scottish tory leader over that and BJ, thats debatable.

You on the other hand back the party all the way? just have an issue with their leader.

How ridiculous. I was dead against Brexit. I support Ruth all the way. She's a Tory peer by the way
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Rinoachicken · 31/01/2022 20:49

He sounds like a abusive partner - ‘he promises he’s going to change, he said he won’t do it again’ 🙄

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TomPinch · 31/01/2022 20:51

Unbelievable.

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The Prime Minister
I have answered several questions like that. I must ask the hon. Gentleman to look at the report properly and to wait for the inquiry when it comes.

...

Jess Phillips
(Birmingham, Yardley) (Lab)
I imagine I am going to be asked to wait for something else, but was the Prime Minister present at the event in his flat on 13 November? I assume he does not need other people to tell him whether he was there. Was he at the flat event on 13 November listed in the report?

The Prime Minister
I am very grateful to the hon. Lady for inviting me to comment on something that is being investigated. With great respect to her, I simply will not indulge in running commentary. She will have to wait.

...

Dame Diana Johnson
(Kingston upon Hull North) (Lab)
Further to the question asked by my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Yardley (Jess Phillips), I am not asking for a running commentary, but I would like to know whether the Prime Minister was present in his flat at the event on 13 November 2020.

The Prime Minister
I am really grateful to the right hon. Lady, and I understand why people want me to elaborate on all sorts of points, but I am not going to give a running commentary on a matter that is now being considered by the authorities. I have to wait for them to conclude.

...

Wera Hobhouse
(Bath) (LD)
Does the Prime Minister need somebody else to tell him whether he was there, or that he is there now?

The Prime Minister
I refer the hon. Lady to the answer that I have already given.

CSWife · 31/01/2022 20:57

@DuncinToffee

Johnson's next excuse to avoid PMQs?

Liz Truss has tested positive for covid. She attended the packed meeting of Tory MPs and ministers in Portcullis House this evening, leaving before it finished. She was not wearing a mask.

FFS.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 31/01/2022 20:59

@Rinoachicken

He sounds like a abusive partner - ‘he promises he’s going to change, he said he won’t do it again’ 🙄
And this is the crux of it. It is like we / you are being gaslighted. It is like we / you are being abused.

Therefore, my only conclusion is that the people who still support him have some serious issues

RainbowZebraWarrior · 31/01/2022 21:04

Like a Trauma Bond. And I don't say that lightly as my Mum lived with an alcoholic abuser for many years, until she saw sense and got herself and me out of there.

And so the 'But, Starmer, But, Corbyn' argument simply can no longer hold sway among any of us who can see past the abusive, domineering, destructive and self serving.

TomPinch · 31/01/2022 21:12

No - they support him because they're a bunch of second-raters who only care about their own personal advancement and whose only hope of getting it is Boris Johnson.

They know what they're doing.

Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 21:14

How ridiculous. I was dead against Brexit. I support Ruth all the way
She's a Tory peer by the way

I don't know anything about what the tory party or voters are like north of the border, clearly they are very different breed to the English versions.

RD has always struck me as a decent person who would probably make very good leader of the labour party in England!

Which is why i suggested she may well have not voted conservative.