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Boris Downfall Part 5

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Rinoachicken · 31/01/2022 16:34

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DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 15:46

Link to the Spectator article which includes Munira Mirza's resignation letter
www.spectator.co.uk/article/exclusive-boris-s-policy-chief-quits-over-jimmy-savile-slur

(sorry it doesn't let me copy the text)

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 15:47

Thanks merrymouse

VikingOnTheFridge · 03/02/2022 16:03

@merrymouse

I was making a point about his responsibility for the organisation as a whole. And I think people can see that. And I really do want to clarify that because it is important

This is going to sound even more stupid when/if it becomes clear that the November ABBA party took place in his own flat.

Yes, it really isn't the line most of us would be taking in his circumstances...
Notonthestairs · 03/02/2022 16:05

Peston tweets "Munira Mirza’s resignation as head of @BorisJohnson’s policy unit is a serious blow to the PM, especially as she cites his Savile slur as cause. Not only have they worked together for years, but her husband Dougie Smith is very close to…

leadership contender @RishiSunak. Smith - with @JGForsyth who revealed her resignation - are credited with bringing Sunak into politics. “The palace coup is underway” said a source close to them. “The firing squad is assembling”.

As Dexra has previously pointed out they are a tight knit group in Westminster!

So two women have resigned - 1 talked about but didn't actually go to a party. 2. Advised against slandering the leader of the opposition and was ignored.
Everyone else clinging on to their jobs.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2022 16:08

Sorry I mangled Derxa's name. Dyslexia strikes again.

VikingOnTheFridge · 03/02/2022 16:09

Ooh, is she off to Team Rishi then? I didnt know that about her husband. Interesting!

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 16:10

David Henig

This was going to be a changed Prime Minister, if we recall. That was Monday. Since when, no Saville apology, an empty levelling up paper, a bizarre Treasury interest free loan on energy prices, and problems in Northern Ireland.
How much more do his MPs need to see?

HilaryThorpe · 03/02/2022 16:12

The full resignation letter is actually a perfect example of a shit sandwich isn't it? 😂 (Except the shit is the bread bit).

ClaudineClare · 03/02/2022 16:16

@merrymouse

To make it worse he undermines the ‘apology’ by claiming other people were just ‘getting hot under the collar’.
Yes, people like Savile's victims. He has no sense of shame, does he?
DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 16:25

Henry Zeffman
That was quick: Andrew Griffith, who lent his Westminster house to Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign and is currently his PPS, is Munira Mirza’s successor

Hmm
Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 16:41

@DuncinToffee

Henry Zeffman That was quick: Andrew Griffith, who lent his Westminster house to Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign and is currently his PPS, is Munira Mirza’s successor

Hmm

A cynical attempt to get the 2019 intake on board. I can’t see that working somehow.
Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 17:03

Talking of blows.

It will be an enormous blow for anyone who is not rich - or at least, affluent - if Mr Rishi Silent But Deadly Twelve Homes Sunak replaces Boris.

Then again it's not as if there's much appealing alternative choice.

Gove? Don't know.

Doesn't Follow The Science (or the longer term economy) Javid?

Truss? Unsure.

What is almost certain is, with this current Boris Out campaign, being instigated and backed by The Telegraph and the far to the right of the Party ERG (in particular the Terrible Trio of Baker, Brady, and Harper), things are unlikely to get better. Sadly quite the opposite I wager.

Anyone already concerned about the fuel price rise and the wider cost of living crisis (not to mention the mass death and disability going on) had better brace themselves.

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 17:06

Perhaps the least bad choice would be if John Major were to come out of retirement.

Not ideal, but it's about time that London had some respite from the blows it's suffered over the years - not least bearing the brunt of the public health housing and homelessness emergency.

Maybe just maybe a working class Londoner (John Major) would finally, after 30/40 years - 'level' London up.

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 17:15

Sunak just said on Johnson's comment: “Being honest, I wouldn't have said it.”

Guess he needs some distraction from his energy discount loan proposal

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2022 17:15

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-weaponised-woke-jlmwh0p36

Interesting article from Tim Shipman published last year about Dougie Smith, Mizra's husband.

Smith and Mirza are also credited with securing a peerage for Claire Fox, a Brexit Party MEP who was friends with Mirza when they were both members of the Revolutionary Communist Party.
Smith also has a vice-like grip on the Conservative candidates’ list, ensuring new MPs elected in 2019 would be wholehearted supporters of Johnson. “You have far more chance of being an MP if you are an enthusiastic Brexiteer and you are happy to get stuck into the culture war,” said one Tory aide. “We are creating a party in Dougie’s image.”

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 17:23

@DuncinToffee

Sunak just said on Johnson's comment: “Being honest, I wouldn't have said it.”

Guess he needs some distraction from his energy discount loan proposal

Can someone explain this to me.

What is the point of us all paying slightly less on our fuel bills in the short term, if we then have to pay it later, given that when later arrives our fuel bills will have gone up again it seems to be only be a very short sighted policy.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 17:25

It’s policy made on the hoof @jgw1. Like the levelling up paper. The desperation couldn’t be more transparent.

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 17:27

Maybe we get another discount next year and then by 2030 it will all be levelled up?

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 17:29

@Blossomtoes

It’s policy made on the hoof *@jgw1*. Like the levelling up paper. The desperation couldn’t be more transparent.
I have to say I assumed that the NI tax rise was going ahead this year so that prior to the next GE there could be a tax cut, but then all of a sudden they have introduced a fuel levy that will kick in just before that GE.

I think it is important to remember that this is Sunak's brilliant new idea.

thecatfromjapan · 03/02/2022 17:30

I don't see how Sunak isn't going to be damaged by the incoming tsunami of living standards crashing ...

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 17:33

@thecatfromjapan

I don't see how Sunak isn't going to be damaged by the incoming tsunami of living standards crashing ...
And holding one of the three great offices of state in the Johnson government. The entire cabinet is tainted for that.
Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 17:33

@DuncinToffee

Sunak just said on Johnson's comment: “Being honest, I wouldn't have said it.”

Guess he needs some distraction from his energy discount loan proposal

Or distraction from his support of taking £20 a week away from vulnerable and struggling low income families and disabled individuals... whilst causally writing off many billions of furlough and PPE fraud.

Worth noting that his frontrunner colleagues - Javid and co. also supported this.

I think the best we can hope for is finding a seat for Stewart or bringing back Major.

Neither are massively appealing but potentially better than the alternatives.

Gove, I thought possibly but I'm not so sure. Certainly not if he's hellbent on the lazy regional division of 'levelling up' whilst ignoring London's dire plight. (Doubt it will help keep well heeled south east 'Shire' votes either).

Truss. I don't feel I know enough to say. The private jet thing, meh, they're all at it. So, possibly? Perhaps others here know more about her?

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 17:37

Sunak. I'd say he doesn't have to flush his hopes completely down the toilet, if he so desperately wants the job. He's made some (big) mistakes, but everybody messes up at some point. He may not learn but he might, who knows. He's still fairly young and inexperienced in politics. If he's willing and able, he could grow, develop, and learn. In time for the next dethroning.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 17:37

Major’s 80 next year, I can’t see him wanting to make a come back to take up a poison chalice somehow. I want them to hold onto Johnson for long enough to implode and become unelectable for 20 years. They’re certainly going the right way about it.

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 17:41

@Blossomtoes

Major’s 80 next year, I can’t see him wanting to make a come back to take up a poison chalice somehow. I want them to hold onto Johnson for long enough to implode and become unelectable for 20 years. They’re certainly going the right way about it.
Ken Clarke?
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