Do you think Spotify should continue to host Joe Rogan's podcast?

[lonelyapple]

Quite a few singers (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren to name a few) have said they want to have their music removed from Spotify as a protest against Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's podcast (they think he is spreading covid vaccine misinformation), so Spotify will have to choose between hosting their music or Joe Rogan's podcast.

I personally think this is ridiculous as Joe Rogan talks to a range of people about a range of different subjects and his podcasts are interesting and popular and people can always choose not to listen to them and even if they do, it doesn't mean they believe everything being said. I don't think Spotify should cave to such threats and I think this would set a dangerous precedent.

www.ft.com/content/a9fdaf0d-8d46-4a16-881f-a1b0635d3ce3

YANBU - Spotify should keep Joe Rogan's podcast.
YABU - Spotify should not keep Joe Rogan's podcast.

The thing is if people are leaving Spotify because of what has been reported on Joe Rogan, not that they actually listen to the three hour episodes...nope, they get a sound bite. They are just as stupid as flipping Rogan and some of the dopes he has on.

Anyways Spotify ain’t cancelling the most popular podcast in the world for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell 🙈🙈

@DarleneSnell

Agree with you, OP.

Plus if I understand correctly it's not even "the platform" wanting to censor Rogan - it's self-righteous, arrogant artistes trying to blackmail Spotify into giving into THEM. Why should Neil Young and Joni Mitchell get to decide what's acceptable?

Exactly. I respect Spotify since, as I understand it, they just gave NY his back catalogue back and said ‘sorry to see you go’, didn’t give some snivelling apologetic response when they have done nothing wrong. If the artists want to disassociate themselves from the platform that’s fine, but they don’t want that, they just want to control what information other people choose to listen to. Grim.

"Plus if I understand correctly it's not even "the platform" wanting to censor Rogan - it's self-righteous, arrogant artistes trying to blackmail Spotify into giving into THEM. "

They were happy enough to censor him when purging his back catalogue and he was happy enough to be censored for his pay day.

It's difficult. The worry is, whilst I'm very pro vaccine and anti disinformation, it's a slippery slope - this cancelling. Who will be next? What views will be next? I'd rather the views were robustly challenged and questioned instead.

Pumperthepumper you don't know what my point was? You responded to it.

Anyway I don't think we will agree really. You carry on though, that's the whole principle of the thing!

@Cornettoninja

Removing JR from one platform isn’t going to do anything against the tidal wave of rogan worshippers tbh.

I find it incredulous that a faintly successful comedian has managed to gain such a lucrative audience but there you go.

The man is just a contrarian who only subscribed to conspiracy, I may be misremembering but right back at the beginning when covid was only a ‘thing’ in Wuhan but he was the absolute complete opposite of the stance he takes now because that’s where the conspiracists happily sat before it became globally relevant.

I saw a video of one of his podcasts and a colleague called him out very clearly on the fact he knows nothing just like everyone else and his stance is motivated by fear. He looked like a schoolboy.

Just like all the politicians and idiots like fauci

@1Week

Pumperthepumper you don't know what my point was? You responded to it.

Anyway I don't think we will agree really. You carry on though, that's the whole principle of the thing!

Was it this?

Who are the ones that decide for the rest of us what's allowed ro be said, and how do we stop them if they go too far?

I dislike cancel culture, and that if it is cancelled, it will be because other celebrities have decided. As long as the content is not illegal, then I don't believe it should be taken down, and I dislike that 'famous' people are forcing it

@Tealightsandd

It's difficult. The worry is, whilst I'm very pro vaccine and anti disinformation, it's a slippery slope - this cancelling. Who will be next? What views will be next? I'd rather the views were robustly challenged and questioned instead.

Absolutely. That's how you sharpen and strengthen your position. Any faulty reasoning or incorrect assumptions can be picked up on.

Trying to silence people, however you do it, only gives fuel to conspiracy theorists.

Can anyone answer why artists should be compelled to keep financially supporting a corporation they don’t wish to?

Aren’t they allowed to control where their art is made available, and who profits from it? Are they not allowed to take a principled stand if they wish?

Trying to silence people, however you do it, only gives fuel to conspiracy theorists.

So anybody should be able to say anything they like, on any platform, so long as there’s someone to give an opposing view?

@Buwch

Can anyone answer why artists should be compelled to keep financially supporting a corporation they don’t wish to?

Aren’t they allowed to control where their art is made available, and who profits from it? Are they not allowed to take a principled stand if they wish?

They are free to do all of those things. However, there may be negative consequences of their decisions.

@Buwch

Can anyone answer why artists should be compelled to keep financially supporting a corporation they don’t wish to?

Aren’t they allowed to control where their art is made available, and who profits from it? Are they not allowed to take a principled stand if they wish?

Nobody is saying they should be compelled to.

But it does show an authoritarian and censorious streak to try and get others shut down.

Neil Young was vocally against GMO's, going against the scientific consensus, and even did a Free Speech tour. So the hypocrisy is going to be noted.

I saw lately that JR gets farmers listeners than even Fox and CNN's flagship programmes. So that sticks in few craws too, I'm sure.

@Twillow

I think they should remove it. Free speech should not be a license to spout uncensored influential shit.

What should free speech be, in your opinion? And who do you think should be the censors?

Jeez typo far more listeners not farmer listeners.

Though I'm sure some are farmers

But @Buwch that wasn’t what NY was arguing. Of course he has the right to remove his own songs from any platform ( assuming he owns the rights )
He was saying that he wanted Spotify to remove another “ artist”from their platform, joe rogan. It’s not up to Neil young as to whether you and I can or can’t listen to the Joe Rogan Experience or not.
He’s not the world’s dad .
It is very arrogant of him and has backfired anyway as Spotify are removing his songs.

@sashagabadon

But *@Buwch* that wasn’t what NY was arguing. Of course he has the right to remove his own songs from any platform ( assuming he owns the rights ) He was saying that he wanted Spotify to remove another “ artist”from their platform, joe rogan. It’s not up to Neil young as to whether you and I can or can’t listen to the Joe Rogan Experience or not. He’s not the world’s dad . It is very arrogant of him and has backfired anyway as Spotify are removing his songs.

That happens all the time though - loads of people wanted Trump banned from Twitter because he was using their (private company’s) audience to spread hate and misinformation. That’s not censorship, that’s a private company deciding they can’t be arsed with the hassle any more.

Joe Rogan isn't just an anti-vaxer, he's said that Covid diagnoses have been financially incentivised and he has promoted invectorin to treat Covid which doesn't do anything for Covid and can have awful side-effects

@Witchcraftandhokum

I've left Spotify this weekend because of it

Well you certainly seem to be strong on your principles.

Just so I can decide whether to do the same or not, exactly what bit of the Joe Regan interview with Dr Malone did you strongly disagree with or prompted you to cancel your subscription.

It amuses me that people want Joe Rogan’s podcast removed who have probably never listened to his podcast.

Asking them to remove his podcast while being quiet as a church mouse about all the vile, misogynistic music with lyrics that is openly hostile and violent towards women? Yeah.. I’m not not taking you seriously.

What purpose does it serve to constantly de platform anyone who has an opinion different from you? It sends a message that dissent is not welcome and it shuts down debate.

Now what sort of regimes is this reminiscent of?

A weak mind cannot tolerate a difference of opinion. Just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean you have to take it on for yourself. There are lots of opinions out there I don’t agree with and I welcome debate. I don’t welcome de platforming people because it’s healthy to hear different opinions and learn how to debate those views.

I don’t understand what kind of world we are living in where tactics used by facist and totalitarian regimes is actually being seen as acceptable.

Now I don’t know what this antivaxxer said, but I am curious to know if Pumper and others who agree with this, think that questioning the safety and efficacy of vaccines is considered ‘misinformation’?

@MarshmallowSwede

It amuses me that people want Joe Rogan’s podcast removed who have probably never listened to his podcast.

Asking them to remove his podcast while being quiet as a church mouse about all the vile, misogynistic music with lyrics that is openly hostile and violent towards women? Yeah.. I’m not not taking you seriously.

What purpose does it serve to constantly de platform anyone who has an opinion different from you? It sends a message that dissent is not welcome and it shuts down debate.

Now what sort of regimes is this reminiscent of?

A weak mind cannot tolerate a difference of opinion. Just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean you have to take it on for yourself. There are lots of opinions out there I don’t agree with and I welcome debate. I don’t welcome de platforming people because it’s healthy to hear different opinions and learn how to debate those views.

I don’t understand what kind of world we are living in where tactics used by facist and totalitarian regimes is actually being seen as acceptable.

quiet as a church mouse about all the vile, misogynistic music with lyrics that is openly hostile and violent towards women? Yeah.. I’m not not taking you seriously.

So you’re happy about those vile, misogynistic lyrics that are openly hostile and violent towards women being available on Spotify?

@Barrawarra

Now I don’t know what this antivaxxer said, but I am curious to know if Pumper and others who agree with this, think that questioning the safety and efficacy of vaccines is considered ‘misinformation’?

No, I don’t. But that doesn’t matter, because I don’t own Spotify.

@SerialNo

He didn't say anything wrong anyway Who cares about your view? You probably have a vagina.

(Not my opinion. Just closely paraphrasing Mr. Rogan)

Did you have a point to make?