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Do you think Spotify should continue to host Joe Rogan's podcast?

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lonelyapple · 30/01/2022 17:34

Quite a few singers (Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren to name a few) have said they want to have their music removed from Spotify as a protest against Spotify hosting Joe Rogan's podcast (they think he is spreading covid vaccine misinformation), so Spotify will have to choose between hosting their music or Joe Rogan's podcast.

I personally think this is ridiculous as Joe Rogan talks to a range of people about a range of different subjects and his podcasts are interesting and popular and people can always choose not to listen to them and even if they do, it doesn't mean they believe everything being said. I don't think Spotify should cave to such threats and I think this would set a dangerous precedent.

www.ft.com/content/a9fdaf0d-8d46-4a16-881f-a1b0635d3ce3

YANBU - Spotify should keep Joe Rogan's podcast.
YABU - Spotify should not keep Joe Rogan's podcast.

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LondonWolf · 30/01/2022 20:36

It's just you drew a comparison with MO. I couldn't see it given that they did one half hour podcast and MO did 13 x 40 minute plus - a full season.

SerialNo · 30/01/2022 20:36

A really nasty, anti-intellectual misogynist.

Towards the end of this clip (which should probably be listened to in full) he mocks a woman (an expert in her field, who tried to politely point out that he was talking shite) for having a vagina.

tttigress · 30/01/2022 20:39

Who is Nils Lofgren?

FluffyBooBoo · 30/01/2022 20:44

@tttigress

Who is Nils Lofgren?
Is Google broken?

He's a musician. He has done stuff on his own, he also plays with Bruce Springsteen and Neil Young.

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 20:57

@Twillow

I think they should remove it. Free speech should not be a license to spout uncensored influential shit.
Censored by who?
mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 20:58

He didn't say anything wrong anyway

SerialNo · 30/01/2022 20:59

He didn't say anything wrong anyway
Who cares about your view? You probably have a vagina.

(Not my opinion. Just closely paraphrasing Mr. Rogan)

Barrawarra · 30/01/2022 21:00

Totally agree OP. I googled looking for a thread on this, I find it quite chilling actually that the concept of ‘wrongthink’ is becoming more and more normalised. I also worry that what will happen in response to all this trying to suppress debate and discussion is that things will spring the other way eventually and we will end up back in a world where people who are actually hateful will fight back with their desire to say awful things to people. This, however is an example of an interview with someone who has views that are not the orthodox mainstream, but they are hardly shared by a tiny minority either.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 21:03

@Barrawarra

Totally agree OP. I googled looking for a thread on this, I find it quite chilling actually that the concept of ‘wrongthink’ is becoming more and more normalised. I also worry that what will happen in response to all this trying to suppress debate and discussion is that things will spring the other way eventually and we will end up back in a world where people who are actually hateful will fight back with their desire to say awful things to people. This, however is an example of an interview with someone who has views that are not the orthodox mainstream, but they are hardly shared by a tiny minority either.
This is nonsense too. Fifty years ago people had extreme views, they just didn’t have endless ways to get their opinion heard. We’re not getting closer to censorship, we’re just getting closer to everyone thinking they’re an expert in front of an audience.
1Week · 30/01/2022 21:04

@LondonWolf

It will be much harder for them to change their minds on something which has become a fundamental belief and part of their identity.

Bit like Brexit really.

Yes. Pretty much every issue these days though. Being able to perform your views to a wide audience on SM and easily find others to join in doing so is a big part of it I think. Also no one seems able to change their mind or agree to disagree anymore. I love "agree to disagree" and feel real affection for anyone who is able to do it because it's just so rare now.

I absolutely agree with this.

I think people have the right to be wrong!

It's the same old fundamental question whenever free speech debates come up. Who are the ones that decide for the rest of us what's allowed ro be said, and how do we stop them if they go too far?
There's no real answer to that one.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 21:06

It's the same old fundamental question whenever free speech debates come up. Who are the ones that decide for the rest of us what's allowed ro be said, and how do we stop them if they go too far?
There's no real answer to that one

Yes there is, it’s ‘the people who host the platform’.

There is absolutely nothing, nothing, stopping you starting your own private company and hosting who you like.

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 21:06

@Bendyrabbit

His interview with Amanda Knox was fascinating and a really interesting look at how females are treated by the legal system. Just focusing on his covid stance is daft, he speaks to lots of people about different issues.

I don’t think we should be censoring people discussing the vaccine. Think of the people banned from Twitter for saying a vaccine side effect was menstrual changes, now something that’s accepted and being researched. Also the links to heart issues are now being discussed in the media.
It’s a new drug and we are seeing the positive and negative effects in real time. Stopping all discussion about it is sinister.

Very
CaptainMarvelDanvers · 30/01/2022 21:10

I don’t agree with him on a lot of things, but a lot of the stuff that gets reported on media about him saying - is not what he actually says, or they take it out of context.

He had a CNN medical correspondent on his show, CNN have told blatant lies and so he was point blank asking him if he thinks it’s ok for the mainstream media to twist and make things up.

Joe Rogan is a comedian, UFC commentator and a tv host - he is not a doctor, he doesn’t claim to be and he often says that if people make life decisions on what he says then they are idiots.

Triotriotrio · 30/01/2022 21:10

Personally I'd ban him because his podcasts are unbearable...

Mayorquimby2 · 30/01/2022 21:10

They should keep him if they want or ditch him if they want. They'll do whichever ends up being more profitable.

People should continue to call out his antivax and alt right shit. Because his critics also have free speech

FOJN · 30/01/2022 21:11

I think JR has been very clear that you should not treat his opinions or podcast as medical advice.

It requires a staggering level of arrogance to assume you are so much cleverer than everyone else that you have a moral duty to protect the rest of the human race from its own stupidity.

Some of us enjoy diversity of opinion. If your attention span can only endure for the length of a tiktok or tweet then you will be surprised to learn some of us manage to listen to long form interviews with people we don't agree with or even like and at the end of it make up our own minds.

Despite actively seeking out a range of views I have somehow managed to avoid pumping myself full of ivermectin and to get three vaccinations. It's almost as if I am a competent and autonomous adult capable of making my own decisions. I have also avoided advocating the gulag for people who see things differently.

Some humans are willfully ignorant and would make bad decisions even if they only had exposure to the best information, please stop trying to censor for the lowest common denominator, we're all doing fine without your intervention.

KKslidoff · 30/01/2022 21:12

@TheAverageUser

If people are going to an MMA commentator for their health advise then we have bigger issues. Surely people can weigh up information and sources and come to sensible conclusions (I like to think).
He's a comedian as well is he not
CaptainMarvelDanvers · 30/01/2022 21:12

The lies CNN were talking about were about his use of ivermectin and COVID.

Bortles · 30/01/2022 21:13

He brought attention to the Walrus Whisperer. He does positive things. Does one stupid view a cancel make? Isnt that treating listeners as complete idiots who cant make up their own minds?

1Week · 30/01/2022 21:15

Pumperthepumper yes of course Spotify can host/not host who they like.

I'm making a broader point about free speech and it's place in a Liberal democracy. We're not the first to have this conversation, brighter minds than internet posters have also wrestled with it.

Pumperthepumper · 30/01/2022 21:15

@1Week

Pumperthepumper yes of course Spotify can host/not host who they like.

I'm making a broader point about free speech and it's place in a Liberal democracy. We're not the first to have this conversation, brighter minds than internet posters have also wrestled with it.

What’s your broader point about free speech?
Buwch · 30/01/2022 21:16

People will whine about Freedom of Speech, but why should musicians continue to allow their music to be listened to on a platform they don’t wish to support? Don’t they have the the freedom to opt out of helping generate revenue for a large corporation they no longer wish to support?

Witchcraftandhokum · 30/01/2022 21:16

I've left Spotify this weekend because of it

DarleneSnell · 30/01/2022 21:18

Agree with you, OP.

Plus if I understand correctly it's not even "the platform" wanting to censor Rogan - it's self-righteous, arrogant artistes trying to blackmail Spotify into giving into THEM. Why should Neil Young and Joni Mitchell get to decide what's acceptable?

mummykel16 · 30/01/2022 21:19

@LondonWolf

I do not believe Joe is medically trained and I worry hugely about vaccine misinformation.

So are you saying that vaccines should never be discussed in case said discussion says something negative about vaccines that you would class as "disinformation"? Are you saying that vaccinations may only be discussed in positive, glowing terms? Because that sounds an awful lot like compelled speech to me.

Anyway as I have already said he doesn't give medical advice, he hosts discussions with qualified doctors. People need to listen to them before commenting.

Thalidomide was covered up, probably still would be if drug companies had their way
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