to think the common idea that Diana was murdered is absurd

[makkapacca]

Heard a journalist on the radio the other day speculating it was not an accident and heard others saying the same. AIBU to think people like this are complete idiots?

"The seatbelt could have easily been broken to ensure she didn’t wear one"

I'm sure, had they wished her dead, the establishment could have come up with something a little more surefire and discrete than that. But why would they?

The seatbelt could have easily been broken to ensure she didn’t wear one

Let’s just bring this back to reality though - the seatbelts in the car were not broken. They simply were not used (apart from by Trevor Rees-Jones).

Let’s just bring this back to reality though - the seatbelts in the car were not broken. They simply were not used (apart from by Trevor Rees-Jones

again this has never been confirmed and the injuries to his face suggest otherwise.

@somewhereoverthechipshop

The seatbelt could have easily been broken to ensure she didn’t wear one

If they'd known which side of the car she would sit on, yes. But how would these nebulous Men In Black Hats have predicted that?

Anyway it is irrelevant: she, Dodi Fayed, and Henri Paul were none of them wearing seatbelts, and there is doubt about whether Trevor Rees-Jones was; his life may have been saved only by the airbag on his side of the car.

Accident.

Exacerbated by circumstances.

Driver, security, seatbelt, paparazzi, etc.

Post death anomalies have all sorts of obvious possibilities including protecting her from scandal re drug and alcohol in system, possibly illnesses infection, etc etc.

But mostly an avalanche of circumstances. Removal of any one of which could have had a different outcome.

@Yankey812

It' partly because she is was a princess and died in a very kind of boring way people want to rationalize it is also not completely absurd they may have known she never wore a seatbelt it would be easy to organize.

Boring?

Nothing boring about being killed in a high speed crash while pursued by paparazzi when you're the mother of the future king.

Extraordinary set of circumstances. The Crown Jewels in incapacitated hands.

A thoroughly modern death.

One of the commonest causes of death in people's perception is road traffic incident, even now. And drunks killing themselves and others in cars is nothing strange or wonderful; positively mundane.

@PlanetNormal

Diana’s death has always struck me as an absurd thing for conspiracy theories to focus on, simply because she died in such entirely unremarkable circumstances. Killed in a car crash with a drunk driver at the wheel, and not wearing her seat belt. It literally happens all the time, in every country.

Had the Special Services been tasked with getting rid of her, and I don't think for a second that she was murdered, they would have made a far better job of it with no room for doubt!

She was on the front of the sunday red tops every week!

But it increasingly negative coverage, she was being criticised for her lifestyle and the Sunday papers of the 31st August 1997 reflected this, until the news of her death came in and there was a massive about turn and her pseudo-beatification began, partly set up by Blair. Private Eye got hold of the original stories and they were not at all flattering.

@DinosaurDuvet

Personally I don’t think she was murdered, as previous posters have said a car crash is too unpredictable in terms of damage. A better way to hide it would have been a bomb and claim a terrorist attack. I also don’t think the Royals would have any sort of influence on such a thing and the government couldn’t care less.

That said, something like that happening is not out of the realms of possibility given all the proven collusion of the British government in the north of Ireland alone. And I’m sure around the world.

Let's not forget the role of the IRA in the conflict in Northern Ireland though I do realise that for many, especially on this site, the British are always wrong, despite the weight if contrary evidence.

I think given that the death seems so 'accidental' i.e. the driver was drunk and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt therefore people think any conspiracy is absolutely crazy. So in other words nobody would suspect it of being organised because of the way it looks. Because if there was anything a little bit hidden about it they knew that these rumours would chase them for years.

Let's not forget the role of the IRA in the conflict in Northern Ireland

Let's be honest,if England had just given the counties back when they were giving back the rest it would have saved alot of grief.

Northern Ireland mess is and was England's fault.

@JudgeJ, are you suggesting we don’t hold the state forces of democratic nations to higher standards than paramilitaries?

@VladmirsPoutine

I think given that the death seems so 'accidental' i.e. the driver was drunk and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt therefore people think any conspiracy is absolutely crazy. So in other words nobody would suspect it of being organised because of the way it looks. Because if there was anything a little bit hidden about it they knew that these rumours would chase them for years.

But then rumours have chased them - which was entirely predictable. So no-one in their right minds would ever use this as a means of assassination when so many foolproof methods are available.

Much as I am no royalist I honestly don't think that the family would have 'heaved a sigh of relif ' at her death, Diana was a mother and I think the Queen would never have wanted her grandsons to go through the grief of losing her. Yes Diana was a loose cannon and a pain in the arse for them but wanting her dead? Nah.

Understandably, people account for discrepancies in the narrative…

‘ Lots of detail (one of the many snippets were a video of the driver tieing his shoelace before he drove off. The speaker made us get up and stoop down to tie our laces, not easy when sober, apparently the driver was alleged to be drunk, but video showed him tieing his laces perfectly. ‘

My understanding is that the driver had a high blood alcohol level, & as he was an habituated heavy drinker he may not have been or seen to be drunk & still be capable of functioning within the range of normal hand co-ordination. He was not socially eased like the audience or rolling drunk, he was a functioning heavy drinker/alcoholic.Many heavy drinkers or alcoholics manage fine hand motion tasks all the time. Otherwise, badly tied shoelaces or slip on shoes might be a easy give away for alcoholics…

As we know, anything that affects brain function (e.g. alcohol, prescription or recreational drugs, distractions talking on mobile phones) impairs the capacity to drive a car or operate heavy machinery.
It takes a small amount of alcohol to affect driving skill & judgement - this may not correlate to how much is needed to impair finer motor skills or appear to be under the influence.

Driver under influence of recent alcohol intake, driving at high speed into difficult to navigate confined space, passengers not wearing seat belts - makes for an everyday road traffic accident that happens all too often.

Maybe it is too difficult to accept that an iconic figure like Diana could have such a mundane death. That she was flawed in her judgement, imperfect & as mortal as the rest of us?

Ooops @SomeOwlsCoo for a moment I thought you were talking about one of Diana’s sons…

I wouldn’t have thought it was common at all.
But some people thrive on conspiracy theories, especially if they involve Dastardly Deeds by the Forces of Evil, i.e MI5/6, politicians, big pharma, anyone very rich, the Royal Family, very senior police, etc. All obviously in fiendish league together.

The sad fact is, if Diana had been wearing a seatbelt, she’d probably be here today.

Much as I am no royalist I honestly don't think that the family would have 'heaved a sigh of relif ' at her death, Diana was a mother and I think the Queen would never have wanted her grandsons to go through the grief of losing her. Yes Diana was a loose cannon and a pain in the arse for them but wanting her dead? Nah

meh whilst I don't think was murdered I would say her death was bloody convenient to them. Whilst the queen and Charles might have not wanted the boys to go without a mother I think they would have had relief at some level that she was out of the way. God knows what she was going to reveal next or do to go against their traditional values.

I wouldn’t have thought it was common at all

I would say it is very common. Sure look at all the conspiracies with covid and I know plenty of people who hang on its every word. Even think of the deaths of big icons like Grace Kelly and Marilyn Monroe- many people don't think they were accidents or are what we are told, Grace Kelly's death is surrounded by conspiracy. I would also say many people think the husband murdered Natalie Wood although that 1 in fairness is a mysterious case.
I would also say that many, if not the majority, of people think there is alot more to 9 11 than was revealed.

@SantaHat

Even though James and Harry look nothing alike and not to mention the fact that she didn’t meet James Hewitt until a couple of years after Harry was born (but as many have said, why let the facts get in the way of a trashy story).

Not to mention that if she had been pregnant with James' baby, there'd have been a quiet abortion, no announcement, etc.

@makkapacca

Oh bless you, no, it’s really not. This is why people fall for it. Such naivety

ok so you you suggesting along with your condescending that a few posters make up 1000s of accounts merely to make a point?

Bots are also programmable to "like" posts. I wouldn't know how to do it, but I have a colleague who reckons it''s easy enough.

@makkapacca

i think the queen gave an internal sigh of relief and the royals in general as she was a loose cannon especially after the panorama interview. Her death was therefore convenient but I still think it was an accident. She was under a shoddy security team.

Unless you have insider knowledge, which I very much doubt, IMO it’s despicable to suggest that the Queen was ‘relieved’ that two young grandsons were left without their mother.

Unless you have insider knowledge, which I very much doubt, IMO it’s despicable to suggest that the Queen was ‘relieved’ that two young grandsons were left without their mother

meh in an ideal world yes but people are complex, I think if Markle were to die the Queen would also breathe an inner sigh of relief today.