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Taking your child's friend on holiday and charging them for accomodation?

110 replies

Indie4444 · 28/01/2022 17:45

.. I personally wouldn't, I would expect them to pay for their own flight and spending money but I wouldn't charge them for staying with us.

I'm in a situation that involves my best and oldest friend, her family and my son. The two families are exceptionally close and our friendship spans over 45 yrs. They first invited my son, then 15 to join them on a family holiday to Spain a few years ago. We paid for his flight and also covered his expenses whilst there which I thought was reasonable. I only recently found out that my friend charged him £270 for his stay (sharing a room with their son) which my son paid. He didn't tell me until recently so I was completely unaware.

Fast forward to a year ago, my son was again invited to join them on holiday. He bought his own flight and was again charged for his accommodation (sharing a room with their son).

Unfortunately Covid meant it had to be postponed until this January where it clashed with my son's final Uni exams (the exam dates were only released a few weeks beforehand so not much warning) which meant he couldn't go. It was a huge shame because he had been looking forward to it for so long. If he had gone he would have missed an important exam which is worth points to his final degree mark. Also if he had caught Covid whilst there he would have missed ALL his exams which would have been disastrous.

Me and his father felt he had made the right decision not to bin off his final year exams and he reluctantly had to pull out.

He has just been given a voucher for the full flight amount but my closest friend is keeping his accommodation money which I think it so morally wrong. The £300 was to cover his stay in the villa whilst he was there (showers, electricity etc) but the poor kid didn't go so he's basically given them almost £300 spending money for absolutely nothing!! It wasn't even as if my son had his own room (on either occasion!!).

My daughter has recently been asked if she would like to join one of her friend's and their family on a holiday this summer to Greece. The first thing they said was "We'd love it if your daughter could join us, we will obviously cover the accommodation side but if you could cover her flight and give her some spending money that would be great".

In my mind that is how this should work. Makes perfect sense. If a family are going on holiday anyway and an extra person doesn't increase the cost of the accommodation - why on earth charge them for it?!!!!

When my best friends returned from their holiday we asked if it would be possible if my son could have his money reimbursed and the answer was a straight out and out NO. End of. Their answer was "he chose not to go so he loses the money".

I am so shocked and hurt by this - a student who had worked hard during the Summer to save up for the holiday and they felt they were totally justified in keeping his money. I know that if the shoe was on the other foot there is no way firstly, I'd even consider charging for accommodation but if I did and the child couldn't go there would be no question of me giving the money back. I simply can't get over their decision which I believe shows zero loyalty and is totally morally wrong.

My best friend and I are no longer talking but hopefully my son and his friend will continue to remain close. 45+ yrs of friendship down the toilet. To rip off my son once is bad enough but to do it again is unforgiveable in my mind.

I would love your opinions on this whether you agree or not. It's a very sad situation but I think it's about principles and I feel my son has been treated very badly by so called life long family friends.

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PoorMegHopkins · 28/01/2022 18:35

Nope. That’s horrible. We took a friend with one of ours once and they brought some spending money that’s all. The bonus for us was it made our teenager happy on the holiday. That’s no friend!

phishy · 28/01/2022 18:35

My best friend and I are no longer talking but hopefully my son and his friend will continue to remain close. 45+ yrs of friendship down the toilet.

What was the discussion that took place? Was it via phone or email? Did she get abusive?

YANBU. I'm wondering if they also overcharged your son?

ThatsAllFolks · 28/01/2022 18:36

Gobsmacked, OP. Never heard of such a thing.

FFSFFSFFS · 28/01/2022 18:38

Oh that’s awfuL OP. Maybe if they’d specially had to pay more for another room but a shared room they would
Have paid for anyway. I also think it’s pretty grim
That they took the money directly off a 15 year old.

Really sad but inwards and upwards and new friends await.

FreedomFaith · 28/01/2022 18:39

Invite their son on holiday with your son, charge him however much they've charged your son for accommodation, got your money back.

OverByYer · 28/01/2022 18:39

YANBU at all. I wouldn’t dream of asking money for accommodation. Flights fine. But I would pay for everything else. She is tight as a camels bum in a sandstorm

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/01/2022 18:41

They took £270 from a 15 year old and didn’t discuss it with you. That for me right there would be the end of the friendship.

onewednesdayindecember · 28/01/2022 18:41

I’m enraged on your behalf. They’ve basically stolen that money in my opinion

LittleBearPad · 28/01/2022 18:42

That’s appalling behaviour.

Chloemol · 28/01/2022 18:45

Absolutely shocking. They were going anyway, regardless of if your s8n went

Yes to flights and spends.

You are better off without them

Simplelobsterhat · 28/01/2022 18:53

I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to charge for the accommodation, although I know a lot of people wouldn't, but two things are very unreasonable:

  1. Taking money from your son when he was 15 - costs should have been discussed before booking, and at that age with you not him. I'm amazed he even had that much to give - was he left with any spending money?!
  2. Rebooking the second holiday without checking he could make it if they were relying on his money. I know you said exam dates were released late but it must have been within uni term/ potential exam period?
drawacircleroundit · 28/01/2022 18:54

Did they need larger accommodation?
If we asked one of my DC's friends we'd probably need another room as we have 2 DC already.
An extra room can add a significant amount. But I'd only expect half of that extra cost.

BluebellsGreenbells · 28/01/2022 18:59

Is this their only child and you son was there to keep him company?

TBH I would expect a university student to book and arrange holidays with friends and no parents.

Did they not ask about dates when rearranging the holiday? Did he get a say?

Did they not have holiday insurance cover?

TheSnowyOwl · 28/01/2022 19:02

Do they need the money? Could your DS have offered?

For what it’s worth, I agree with you and wouldn’t charge either. However, it’s always best to confirm everything in advance because people do think differently.

Lemonweightloss · 28/01/2022 19:08

Shocking.
When my ds was a teenager, we often took our nephews ( not all at the same time! ). We paid for the package ( flight / accommodation), and my siblings provided spending money.
I think it's out of order if none of this was discussed PRIOR to the holiday. That's when upsets happen.
Still shocking.

C152 · 28/01/2022 19:09

I don't think your friend has behaved particularly well. She should have spoken to you about accommodation costs the first time your son went to stay with them; not taken money from a child. I think she was unreasonable in her behaviour here. However, now that your son is an adult, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask him to chip in for accommodation, as long as this is discussed and agreed by everyone up front. I do think it's unreasonable and wrong of her to keep your son's money when he didn't go, as it's not like they had booked a bigger villa with an extra room that now wouldn't be used.

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 28/01/2022 19:14

That is appalling.

I can not believe she kept the money-did they need his money to actually book the villa?? Was he invited to top up the cost??

A friend of 45 years doing that to your DS is so, so shitty-unforgivable to me

MrsAvocet · 28/01/2022 19:14

Interestingly there's another thread going on at the moment where a poster is upset because she gives a lift to work to someone who lives near her and the colleague isn't giving her any petrol money. The opinion seems to be that the colleague is a CFer and the poster should stop giving her lifts. Nobody is saying that she is mean for expecting a contribution towards her costs, even though taking the colleague probably makes minimal difference. No shocked posts about her expecting the colleague to subsidise her travel or telling her that she's going that way anyway so l she should let the colleague travel for free. More or less the exact opposite to the attitude here.
I agree the OPs friends have behaved badly in a number of ways but I'm surprised by the number of people who seemingly wouldn't offer any contribution for accomodation to the host family. We've taken our children's friends away several times and whilst we have never accepted any money from their parents it has always been offered and I'd be a bit shocked if it wasn't to be honest.

ShirleyPhallus · 28/01/2022 19:18

That’s absolutely awful, your poor son

But I’m confused - after the first time this happened, why didn’t you clarify with friend costs and what would happen if the trip didn’t go ahead? You had an idea she was a CF from the first time and I’d have been really careful that something like this wouldn’t happen again

Indie4444 · 28/01/2022 19:20

However, now that your son is an adult, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask him to chip in for accommodation, as long as this is discussed and agreed by everyone up front. I do think it's unreasonable and wrong of her to keep your son's money when he didn't go, as it's not like they had booked a bigger villa with an extra room that now wouldn't be used.

Thank you for your comment and I do agree that as an adult now making a (reasonable!) contribution to accommodation is fine but keeping it is the bit I'm struggling to understand :-( I wouldn't see her son out of pocket and would feel really awful for keeping his money especially as they are both students so money is tight.

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MaudieandMe · 28/01/2022 19:20

@MrsAvocet

Completely different situation. 🤦🏻‍♀️

You've spectacularly missed the point of the thread you're referring to.

In that case the work colleague asked OP for a lift in return for petrol money and had been paying her for a while and then started making lame excuses and not paying her anything and expecting the OP to carry on giving the lift and putting herself out for nothing in return.

5foot5 · 28/01/2022 19:26

These people are not your friends. They are grasping bastards. If the excuse for charging was because they booked a bigger place to accommodate your son as well they should not have invited him in the first place if they couldn't afford the rent on the place. Despicable.

TreadLightly3 · 28/01/2022 19:27

[quote MaudieandMe]@MrsAvocet

Completely different situation. 🤦🏻‍♀️

You've spectacularly missed the point of the thread you're referring to.

In that case the work colleague asked OP for a lift in return for petrol money and had been paying her for a while and then started making lame excuses and not paying her anything and expecting the OP to carry on giving the lift and putting herself out for nothing in return.

[/quote]
Yes - completely missed the point!! Totally incomparable situations

MaudieandMe · 28/01/2022 19:32

OP: Does you friend think you are financially better off than her family?

I used to have a 'friend' who constantly expected me to sub her. Initially coffees, meals etc., which I didn't mind. Then we had a girls holiday and she felt entitled to spend my money because I earnt considerably more than her. She even once suggested that because she went to a Red Brick Uni compared to my degree from a former Poly, I was just lucky to be in a better paid job. (We worked in the same company although I was in a much more senior role.)

We generally got on well but I realised that she was in a permanent state of envy and it stopped being enjoyable to spend time in her company.

Sceptre86 · 28/01/2022 19:46

They are in rhe wrong and have only fallen out with you because you had the guts to point it out. I don't understand why you emailed rough, surely if you had a 45 year old friendship you would pick up the phone?

I dislike that they asked a 15 year old for money when they should have asked you and been clear about what they required. You could have then decided if you has wanted your son to go or not. They took money off of him to share a room, a room they would have needed anyway so yes in my view they are being unreasonable.

I don't allow sleepovers nor would I allow my kids to go on holiday with anyone else's. I can't understand why anyone would want to take other people's kids on holiday anyway.