What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

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Part 4

@Clavinova

Alexandra2001 diverting from topics

Why are posters on your side of the argument allowed to introduce topics such as Donald Trump's Covid cures, the failings of Alan Clark and David Cameron's (fictitious) misadventure with a pig's head??

Why would you bring up Biden and David Lammy on a thread about the Prime Minister breaking the law and misleading Parliament I wonder?

I thought that the Chesham and Amersham by election loss had rather knocked Jenrick's Planning games on the head, for now at least.

@Notonthestairs

How Christian are we feeling today I wonder. Will we see the (highly edited) report today?

It no longer matters does it? All the damaging information has been stripped out The Times reporting today that the Met will not name anybody found to have committed an offence

Job done ✅

Johnson now desperately trying to move the narrative on to levelling up and Brexit bollocks

Why would you bring up Biden and David Lammy

Actually, I thought my David Lammy post was particularly relevant with regards to his fine being reduced for early payment - and Joe Biden is the current president of the United States - more relevant than a fictitious pig's head.

The Times reporting today that the Met will not name anybody found to have committed an offence

Oh, how very caring of the Met. I am sure this policy is designed to protect young civil servants rather than the PM.

Fuckers.

There actually appears to be no legal basis for the met influencing the content of the SG report.
It was thought that this might be justified if the Met were investigating more serious offences ( the Secret Barrister did a good post on this) but they’ve now confirmed that they aren’t.

Remember that the met have already been found to be institutionally corrupt ( Daniel Morgan investigation). Plus Cressida Dick’s wife heads up their “ professionalism” department- second in command is Bas Javid. These are the people responsible for reviewing any decision making re the report.

I agree Crying.

The Times has an interesting opinion piece "whatever Sue Gray says, minds are already made up" by James Kirkup

Waiting for Sue Gray” is a Westminster contrivance that shows our politics at its worst, a self-regarding parlour game played by people unable or unwilling to admit that the parlour is on fire and the flames are threatening the whole house. And largely unaware of the spectacle they thus present to the public watching on from afar.
This disconnect should trouble all politicians, but Conservatives especially. The more Tories try to pretend that the report matters, that they need Gray to reach a judgment on Johnson, the more they confirm the public’s impression of them as people more interested in word games and sophistry than addressing fundamental issues of right and wrong."

I imagine there will be quite an influx of squirrel posts over this week.

In other words it is a classic Johnson cover up

Are they deliberately trying to promote Scottish Independence, or is it as the report says "last-minute, fractious, and cack-handed"?

Not just Scottish independence. Support is growing for Welsh independence too. This sort of thing will help.

Yes just read that piece @Notonthestairs and thought he made some good points
I am personally torn as I think Johnson is now a liability for the tories. But it is upsetting to see this toad crouching over our democracy and polluting all he touches

I think a concerted effort is needed to ignore the squirrels, notonthestairs.

@Clavinova

Alexandra2001 diverting from topics

Why are posters on your side of the argument allowed to introduce topics such as Donald Trump's Covid cures, the failings of Alan Clark and David Cameron's (fictitious) misadventure with a pig's head??

Very amusing!

YOU introduced the USA's covid record by asking me what i thought of 900,000 deaths under Biden...
if you don't wish the topic to be diverted onto subjects that are nothing to do with Bozo... perhaps stop doing it and start your own threads on Biden/Starmers beer/fields/celebrating 100yo war veterans birthday "parties" ?

@ClaudineClare

The Times reporting today that the Met will not name anybody found to have committed an offence

Oh, how very caring of the Met. I am sure this policy is designed to protect young civil servants rather than the PM.

Fuckers.

People are named up and down the country after getting FPN's why should civil servants or anyone in Government be any different?

It's a pity that the only by-election on the horizon is Jack Dromey's old seat. I don't know what his majority was last time, but it will be interesting to see which way it swings.

Not that by elections are a reliable test.

@ClaudineClare

I think a concerted effort is needed to ignore the squirrels, notonthestairs.

Yes - the diversion tactic is quite transparent!

People are named up and down the country after getting FPN's why should civil servants or anyone in Government be any different?

In the article the met are reported as saying that if someone pays a FPN their identity is generally not publicised. No idea if that is true!
It provides a mechanism for Johnson to wriggle away. As per…

I feel similarly Crying. But I'm amazed at how poorly it has been handled. A swift apology before Christmas and some quick resignations/reshuffle and the police issuing the fines would have limited the damage.

Alexandra2001
YOU introduced the USA's covid record by asking me what I thought of 900,000 deaths under Biden...

Because you posted;
No other european country has over 150k deaths though, inc France with a similar pop. and Germany with far more people and around 35% less deaths...why is this?

Why are you allowed to compare the UK with France and Germany but I am not allowed to compare the UK with the US? It wasn't me who started posting about Trump's Covid cures - but since that topic has already been introduced;

15 April 2020
Emmanuel Macron called for clinical trials of a controversial coronavirus “cure” as he hailed the French infection specialist who promoted it as a great scientist.

The treatment is a combination of the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

Macron’s comments are likely to ignite fresh controversy over Raoult, whose research has been boosted by populist leaders, such as Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro, but which is regarded with scepticism by other members of the medical establishment.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/macron-urges-on-trials-of-controversial-coronavirus-drug

Yes I agree @Notonthestairs
Gavin Williamson apologised for a party didn’t he - and Priti Patel also?
The real issue is the endless lying - which is why the squirrels would love to divert us onto “ refreshments at work”, cake and the size of a donkey field!

Latest Edelman Trust report ( also in the times today)shows that less than a third of people in this country trust politicians. The Johnson effect!

I feel similarly Crying. But I'm amazed at how poorly it has been handled.

You would think that they might have tried to learn something from the Paterson affair and the N Shropshire by-election. If they had let him serve his suspension it would all be forgotten about now.

You would think that they might have tried to learn something from the Paterson affair

The Paterson affair almost seems like a distant memory to be honest.

I agree Clavinova - so much has come out since then! It wouldn't take much to jog people's memories however.

The Paterson affair almost seems like a distant memory to be honest.

Exactly so, but the seat is still no longer Tory, whereas it would have been if they hadn't tried to change the rules.

The general public don't like being played for fools.

Nikki da Costa the PMs former head of legislative affairs

The headline is not mine, the rest is. I have ducked requests for comment for weeks, tried to preserve space for official response, but some of the lines from Downing Street allies + reported from within No10, reflective of culture, make that impossible.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/033bc9aa-8205-11ec-b939-57ea9f594ba1?shareToken=e7fabc54db3946f559ab733b146a2010

People are named up and down the country after getting FPN's why should civil servants or anyone in Government be any different?

I don't have any interest in whether or not any civil servant is given a FPN for covid rule breaking. But is is in the public interest to know whether any member of the government broke the rules that the government made.