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Florianus · 31/01/2022 07:56

Blossomtoes:
Interesting that yet another U turn has been performed - covid vaccination won’t be mandatory for NHS staff now.

Is a government changing its mind supposed to be a bad thing - would you prefer governments to be inflexible and press ahead regardless?

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jgw1 · 31/01/2022 07:57

@Alexandra2001

Starmer came up because the thread moved onto the type of Prime Minister people thought they might or might not like

Don't treat us like fools... what has ownership of a field got to do with someone's suitability to be PM.

I think the point is that Starmer is prudent and sensible with money and also looks after the welfare of those closest to him, so is much less likely to be open to bribery and corruption than if he was scratching around to pay for a bit of redecoration.

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Florianus · 31/01/2022 07:58

@Alexandra2001

Starmer came up because the thread moved onto the type of Prime Minister people thought they might or might not like

Don't treat us like fools... what has ownership of a field got to do with someone's suitability to be PM.

Do you really want to re-trace all of the steps in the debate? And you accuse me of diverting the thread !!!!

cakeorwine · 31/01/2022 07:59

@Florianus

Cakeorwine: Did you know about the donkey sanctuary before you posted about the 7 acres?

Not only did I know about it but I mentioned that he bought it for his mother and I also know that it no longer exists - although Starmer still owns the land.

See - I don't think that's true.

I refer you to your initial statement

Starmer is said to own seven acres of land in Surrey worth up to £10 million, as well as a London property £1 million. More, I suggest, than most people who regard themselves as middle class. It makes it difficult to promote himself as a man of the people

No mention donkeys or his mum.

Are you doing a Johnson?

AdamRyan · 31/01/2022 08:00

Exactly. He's not like most people who are struggling to get by.
No MPs are like "most people who are struggling to get by" because they are paid over £80,000 a year
Keir Starmer is like a lot of other people in that he came from a working class background but has done well.
I'm uncertain as to precisely what the point you are making is. Is it

most politicians are well off, therefore the fact the Conservative party is full of entitled etonites is neither here nor there?
most politicians are well off so none of them can represent their constituents?
most politicians are well off so we shouldn't bother with government?

This "man of the people" crap is what got us Farage (private school educated banker )

Where is Farage these days anyway?

AdamRyan · 31/01/2022 08:03

Also - I dgaf whether or not keir starmer owns a 7 acre field.

Stanley Johnson (Boris' dad) has 500 acres.

AdamRyan · 31/01/2022 08:05

Has anyone else noticed the BBC have gone very quiet on partygate? They didn't report the classified docs stuff yesterday and instead are leading on brexit, levelling up and Ukraine.
The Conservative PR is obviously working well

Walkaround · 31/01/2022 08:05

@Florianus - are you trying to insinuate that being a corrupt, self-serving liar makes Boris Johnson a man of the people? You claim, after all, to be talking about what type of Prime Minister people might like or not like and plumped for man of the people as something people might like?

Lonelycrab · 31/01/2022 08:08

Where is Farage these days anyway?

He keeps popping up on my YouTube feed trying to flog financial stuff.

And chatting shit on geebeebies

Alexandra2001 · 31/01/2022 08:08

@Florianus

Blossomtoes: Interesting that yet another U turn has been performed - covid vaccination won’t be mandatory for NHS staff now.

Is a government changing its mind supposed to be a bad thing - would you prefer governments to be inflexible and press ahead regardless?

Why did Javid sack 1000s of CH workers and has allowed NHS workers to leave their jobs because of this?

Better late than never (if it is cancelled) but the original decision was terrible.

derxa · 31/01/2022 08:08

Stanley Johnson (Boris' dad) has 500 acres. And?

merrymouse · 31/01/2022 08:08

I can see why there would be overlap between the set of people who think Johnson is a competent PM, and the set of people who believe 7 acres of land with no planning permission is worth £10 million.

Florianus · 31/01/2022 08:09

cakeorwine:
No mention donkeys or his mum.

I didn't say I mentioned donkeys, I said I knew about them.

Are you doing a Johnson?

In view of the above, I must ask you the same.

Florianus · 31/01/2022 08:10

[quote Walkaround]@Florianus - are you trying to insinuate that being a corrupt, self-serving liar makes Boris Johnson a man of the people? You claim, after all, to be talking about what type of Prime Minister people might like or not like and plumped for man of the people as something people might like?[/quote]
I am saying that people have voted for him in preference to others, in six elections now.

Peregrina · 31/01/2022 08:11

And what the Met are facing is the probability that if they imagined things to be that simple, any FPN could be challenged in the courts by top lawyers who would point out that thanking a workforce for spending many hours beyond the call of duty is essential if management ever expect the workers to do the same again.

I can guess that NHS workers, if not burnt out and looking for other work, will continue to spend hours working beyond the call of duty if another health care crisis arises.

Other workers, in jobs which they don't regard as a vocation, are probably more likely to tell management where to get off, having seen the example first set by Cummings and then Johnson. Not just the parties which supposedly weren't, but the constant running away by him when there is any sort of crisis.

Florianus · 31/01/2022 08:12

@merrymouse

I can see why there would be overlap between the set of people who think Johnson is a competent PM, and the set of people who believe 7 acres of land with no planning permission is worth £10 million.

"A competent prime minister" is the last phrase I would use to describe the oafish Johnson. Do you actually read these threads or do you "read" what you would like to see in them?

ClaudineClare · 31/01/2022 08:14

Is a government changing its mind supposed to be a bad thing - would you prefer governments to be inflexible and press ahead regardless?

True, but in this case it was a policy that England could not possibly hope to go through with. The rest of the UK's governments knew it was a bad idea and did not try to introduce it.

merrymouse · 31/01/2022 08:14

"A competent prime minister" is the last phrase I would use to describe the oafish Johnson.

You think I was making a point about you? Do you also believe the land is worth £10 million?

Peregrina · 31/01/2022 08:17

Has anyone else noticed the BBC have gone very quiet on partygate? They didn't report the classified docs stuff yesterday and instead are leading on brexit, levelling up and Ukraine. The Conservative PR is obviously working well

Yes and have immediately angered the devolved Governmentsin the process. Are they deliberately trying to promote Scottish Independence, or is it as the report says "last-minute, fractious, and cack-handed"?

AdamRyan · 31/01/2022 08:17

@derxa

Stanley Johnson (Boris' dad) has 500 acres. And?

Exactly how I feel about Starmer having a medium sized field

Florianus · 31/01/2022 08:20

@merrymouse

"A competent prime minister" is the last phrase I would use to describe the oafish Johnson.

You think I was making a point about you? Do you also believe the land is worth £10 million?

If it can get planning permission, yes. What usually happens after planning refusal is an appeal is made above the planners' heads to the council concerned. That is the council which, like all the others, is under intense pressure to release land for housing. It may or may not happen in this case, but it has happened many times before.

Notonthestairs · 31/01/2022 08:22

How Christian are we feeling today I wonder. Will we see the (highly edited) report today?

Clavinova · 31/01/2022 08:22

Alexandra2001
diverting from topics

Why are posters on your side of the argument allowed to introduce topics such as Donald Trump's Covid cures, the failings of Alan Clark and David Cameron's (fictitious) misadventure with a pig's head??

Peregrina · 31/01/2022 08:23

I am saying that people have voted for him in preference to others, in six elections now.

I have to assume that you have heard of the jibe that in some seats a pig with a blue rosette would win? It's been around since the days of the Whigs. In North Shropshire they had voted Tory for considerably longer than six elections - with the seat or its predecessor returning a Tory for all bar about two years of the last 200. Not at the last by election though.

But with the amount of housebuilding going on in the south east, being bought by people priced out of London, who tend to be more left -leaning, the demographics do appear to be changing.

derxa · 31/01/2022 08:24

@merrymouse

I can see why there would be overlap between the set of people who think Johnson is a competent PM, and the set of people who believe 7 acres of land with no planning permission is worth £10 million.

A man who had a field next to my farm wanted £125,000 for it. It had no planning permission because I refused to sell one of my fields which would have given him access to the main road. And that's in Scotland not Surrey. If Keir still has his land fair play to him.