What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

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Part 4

did he and his chums burn money in front of homeless people

That interesting anecdote was claimed by a former Labour MP. This former Labour MP;

An MP who shocked constituents in a village by mixing it up with a place 70 miles away has admitted making a "terrible, terrible mistake".

Helen Goodman praised the area's caves, waterfalls and links to author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle when speaking at the Ingleton Village Fair and Classic Vehicle Show in County Durham.

However, those facts relate to Ingleton in North Yorkshire.

Helen Goodman lost her seat in the 2019 general election.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-27883768
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-vehemently-denies-claim-by-labour-mp-that-he-burned-ps50-note-in-front-of-homeless-people-a4246736.html

'I am struggling to see how anyone who is patriotic can be a supporter of the current Prime Minister given how much damage he is and has done to the country'

Let me help. We have the most open society in Europe, no restrictions, we are coming out of the pandemic with more people in jobs than pre pandemic and with the strongest economy in the G7, vaccines etc etc etc... but you must know all this, surely?

A ten minute break in a office to have cake is not the outrageous event the media are telling you it is.

[quote Walkaround]@Florianus - “ He grew up in the Stockbroker belt and went to the highly selective Reigate Grammar School which became a top independent school while he was a pupil (although his parents didn't have to pay).” Are you genuinely suggesting that anyone who grew up where Keir Starmer did was upper middle class by virtue of living near stockbrokers?! 🤣 Would you also suggest that everyone growing up in any part of Kensington or Westminster in London was super-rich and upper class? 😂😂 Or that the entire population of Kent are rich and middle class, because it’s a home county? I guess you’d also claim the whole of the North of England is poor and working class?[/quote]
I would suggest that most people do not have enough spare cash lying around to afford 7 acres of land in Surrey, however much it cost.

@JaniieJones

'I am struggling to see how anyone who is patriotic can be a supporter of the current Prime Minister given how much damage he is and has done to the country'

Let me help. We have the most open society in Europe, no restrictions, we are coming out of the pandemic with more people in jobs than pre pandemic and with the strongest economy in the G7, vaccines etc etc etc... but you must know all this, surely?

A ten minute break in a office to have cake is not the outrageous event the media are telling you it is.

If having birthday parties is not outrageous, why were millions of children denied them?

Why was Boris' wife in the office at a time when most of us were working from home?

Let me help. We have the most open society in Europe, no restrictions, we are coming out of the pandemic with more people in jobs than pre pandemic and with the strongest economy in the G7, vaccines etc etc etc... but you must know all this, surel

Let me help

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/latest

Total hours worked decreased slightly compared with the previous three-month period and are still below pre-coronavirus pandemic levels, despite the loosening of coronavirus (COVID-19) restrictions.

The UK employment rate was estimated at 75.5%, 1.1 percentage points lower than before the coronavirus pandemic (December 2019 to February 2020), but 0.2 percentage points higher than the previous three-month period (June to August 2021)

The UK economic inactivity rate was estimated at 21.3%, 1.0 percentage point higher than before the pandemic, and 0.2 percentage points higher than the previous three-month period

I would suggest that most people do not have enough spare cash lying around to afford 7 acres of land in Surrey, however much it cost.

So Starmer is prudent with his money. I like that in a leader, much better than having to scrabble around arranging favours for people in order to do a bit of redecoration.

Kier Starmer worked hard and was paid well shocker.

I can't get excited about potty mouths. Fuck business and all that.

Careful Cake - you'll be implying that the British are some of the worst idlers in the world next.

Strongest economy in the G7, you still believe that lie?

5th strongest of the G7

'If having birthday parties is not outrageous, why were millions of children denied them?'

It wasn't a party. Kids were denied parties because there was a pandemic so socialising was restricted to reduce spread. Workplace reshrements were allowed..

Anyway I'm fascinated but your comment 'He has done so much damage to the country!'. Do you know we have more people in jobs than pre pandemic? That isn't ruining the country at all now is it?

cakeorwine
I suspect @ Clavinova is trying to find a link to patriotism now

I wasn't going to - but if you like;

Leak reveals Labour plan to focus on flag and patriotism to win back voters.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/02/labour-urged-to-focus-on-flag-and-patriotism-to-win-voters-trust-leak-reveals

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-met-keir-starmers-donkeys-and-they-told-me-something-about-him/

I do agree that Johnson probably wouldn’t be spending money in this way.

I still can't quite work out why Carrie Simmonds and Lulu Litle were doing in the Cabinet Office, because neither work there.

I would suggest that most people do not have enough spare cash lying around to afford 7 acres of land in Surrey, however much it cost.

I would suggest that most people who've dragged themselves up from a fairly humble start, worked as top-flight lawyers and served as the DPP may well have 'enough spare cash lying around' to do exactly that.

I come from a large single parent family with no historical resources (DF died when I was young) and that purchase wouldn't have been out of my reach.

Contrast that with a spoon-fed Big Baby, who 'struggles' to make ends meet on the salary of the PM, plus donations, expenses and freebies from 'donors' and 'friends'.

cakeorwine

Neither - but I do have a big helping of common sense - and I ask Google the right questions.

@JaniieJones

'If having birthday parties is not outrageous, why were millions of children denied them?'

It wasn't a party. Kids were denied parties because there was a pandemic so socialising was restricted to reduce spread. Workplace reshrements were allowed..

Anyway I'm fascinated but your comment 'He has done so much damage to the country!'. Do you know we have more people in jobs than pre pandemic? That isn't ruining the country at all now is it?

Were necessary workplace refreshments habitually served as a buffet in the Cabinet Room, accompanied by a birthday cake, and with several non-employees present?

Let me help. We have the most open society in Europe, no restrictions, we are coming out of the pandemic with more people in jobs than pre pandemic and with the strongest economy in the G7, vaccines etc etc etc... but you must know all this, surely?

Thought we were under Plan A restrictions? But as you haven't actually looked at what other european countries are operating under, you haven't a clue what your on about.
Jobs? with shockingly low wages - food bank use doubled since pre pandemic levels.
Uk is growing faster - true BUT from a far lower base.

Vaccines? 7 european countries are ahead of us per capita.

You are just spouting Tory propaganda stuff.... without looking at any of the claims.

So Starmer is prudent with his money. I like that in a leader, much better than having to scrabble around arranging favours for people in order to do a bit of redecoration.

Yes, it’s amazing that this is supposed to reflect badly on Starmer.

Starmer was able to buy grazing land so that his mother could have a donkey sanctuary.

Johnson spent £££ on wallpaper he couldn’t afford in temporary accommodation then had to scrabble around to pay the bill.

You are just spouting Tory propaganda stuff.... without looking at any of the claims

It's very easy to debunk many of the claims made on here.

The jobs one is interesting - when you look at the underlying stats, it's clear that it's not that Johnson and his Ministers are misleading people.

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/latest

TBF to Johnson, he has changed his words now to say 'numbers on payroll'. Thus ignoring the self employed workers.

*The jobs one is interesting - when you look at the underlying stats, it's clear that it's not that Johnson and his Ministers are misleading people

Clear they are misleading people.....

@JaniieJones

'If having birthday parties is not outrageous, why were millions of children denied them?'

It wasn't a party. Kids were denied parties because there was a pandemic so socialising was restricted to reduce spread. Workplace reshrements were allowed..

Anyway I'm fascinated but your comment 'He has done so much damage to the country!'. Do you know we have more people in jobs than pre pandemic? That isn't ruining the country at all now is it?

"Party a social gathering of invited guests, typically involving eating, drinking, and entertainment."

Here is the first definition of party I have found. @JaniieJones can you explain to me which parts of Boris' birthday party don't fit this definition, or you can provide an alternative definition.
There were guests, presumably invited, I doubt they just stubbled upon a room with cake, there was eating and drinking, and there was a clown present so presumably entertainment?

@Florianus - “ I would suggest that most people do not have enough spare cash lying around to afford 7 acres of land in Surrey, however much it cost.” So, you are confused as to the difference between not actually coming from the upper middle classes and acquiring material wealth. Or you just lied about his background.

Savilles say uk prime arable land value in England was 3k per acre in 1996, so lets say Starmer paid 6k per acre, 42k for London based lawyer?

Hardly going break the bank and a long way from the slur the 'Mail portrayed with its £10m claim.

@JaniieJones

'Would you like to have a discussion about why it was appropriate for a 56year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children?'

We had this discussion yesterday didn't we? I'll repeat myself. Say we worked in an office and had a cake and coffee for ten mins, have we been to a party? No, no we haven't.

Kids couldn't have parties because there was a pandemic and they were restricting social mixing. Whereas workplace refreshments were allowed. Things like cafeterias etc remained open.

This is such bullshit.

Last Spring my DC was at school but they still weren’t allowed to invite their friends into our house to have a birthday party.

But because it was Boris it was ok. It’s bullshit

Isn't Starmer's rise to relative wealth, from relatively humble beginnings, something that should be celebrated, rather than criticised?

It's surely the sort of social mobility that anyone, of any political hue, should applaud.