What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

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Part 4

OUTSIDE.

Exactly.

Not inside

Most children would choose a 2/3 hour party with a small group of friends over a 10 minute celebration in an office.

I meant - most children would choose a 2/3 hour party outside with a small group of friends over a 10 minute celebration in an office.

@Roussette

I don't want charismatic. I want boring and even dull, and gets the job done without sleaze, blackmail and inadequate over promoted ministers in the cabinet. I've had enough of characters, bring on boring

The trouble is, the dullards (such as John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May) are often no good at getting things done.

Don't get me wrong - I dislike the attempt to create a presidential style government in the UK as much as anyone. And I don't think that is very successful, in any case, if the continual frustration of Joe Biden's proposals by Senate is any guide.

@Peregrina

Do you not have a problem with an islamphobic party then Kennykencat?

I would guess that if a leader inspires a sense of visceral fear, that is what you focus on.

It’s possible to recognise the existence of Islamaphobia and also recognise why some Jewish people were so worried about Corbyn’s inability to distance himself from true anti semitism.

What does charismatic bring to the role?
Nowt.
I prefer safe hands, not soundbites and buffoonery.

Then why was his wife there?
Does she work in the office? I wasn't aware of that.

Keir Starmer has already said (in an interview) that he doesn't object to spouses/partners being in the workplace - he was referring to Carrie Johnson/Symonds at the cheese and wine gathering.

I have to go now.

@Clavinova

Most children would choose a 2/3 hour party with a small group of friends over a 10 minute celebration in an office.

I meant - most children would choose a 2/3 hour party outside with a small group of friends over a 10 minute celebration in an office.

Ah so the defence of Boris' party is that most children wouldn't have liked a party like that. Interesting.

@Roussette

What does charismatic bring to the role? Nowt. I prefer safe hands, not soundbites and buffoonery.

Well we had John Major's safe hands creating the Traffic Cones Hotline (sadly now defunct, I think), Theresa May's safe hands deciding that a general election would be a good thing and thus removing her own majority so she could get nothing done, and I'm not sure what Gordon Brown ever did, other than completing Tony Blair's projects.

@Florianus - “ Keir Starmer is a pleasant enough, upper middle-class lawyer, but few would regard him as a charismatic leader.” Keir Starmer’s parents were a nurse and a toolmaker, neither professions generally considered to be even remotely upper middle class. I find it interesting you want to say he is upper middle class, because his parents certainly weren’t. Are you implying no lawyer could ever legitimately represent the Labour party, whatever their family background?

@Clavinova

Then why was his wife there? Does she work in the office? I wasn't aware of that.

Keir Starmer has already said (in an interview) that he doesn't object to spouses/partners being in the workplace - he was referring to Carrie Johnson/Symonds at the cheese and wine gathering.

I have to go now.

I'm not sure what Keir Starmer may or not have said has to do with why the Prime Ministers wife was at a party in an office she does not work in whilst such things were against the law.

"The PM broke the law and misled Parliament.

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If that is a certainty, why do we need an investigation - let alone two separate investigations - into Partygate?"

The reports are a paper version of a fridge. Somewhere to hide.

Give me one or any of those 3 than this charlatan in no.10.

I trust them. I may not like them but they have some moral compass. BJ has none. He's a proven liar determined to hang onto this role whilst damaging the country

Keir Starmer has already said (in an interview) that he doesn't object to spouses/partners being in the workplace - he was referring to Carrie Johnson/Symonds at the cheese and wine gathering

When did he say this, clav?

@Roussette

Give me one or any of those 3 than this charlatan in no.10.

I trust them. I may not like them but they have some moral compass. BJ has none. He's a proven liar determined to hang onto this role whilst damaging the country

Agree wholeheartedly with this.

[quote Walkaround]@Florianus - “ Keir Starmer is a pleasant enough, upper middle-class lawyer, but few would regard him as a charismatic leader.” Keir Starmer’s parents were a nurse and a toolmaker, neither professions generally considered to be even remotely upper middle class. I find it interesting you want to say he is upper middle class, because his parents certainly weren’t. Are you implying no lawyer could ever legitimately represent the Labour party, whatever their family background?[/quote]
He grew up in the Stockbroker belt and went to the highly selective Reigate Grammar School which became a top independent school while he was a pupil (although his parents didn't have to pay).

As I said, he seems a nice enough bloke although I often cringe during PMQs when he makes what he imagines to be a joke, pausing for laughter which often doesn't come.

Starmer is said to own seven acres of land in Surrey worth up to £10 million, as well as a London property £1 million. More, I suggest, than most people who regard themselves as middle class. It makes it difficult to promote himself as a man of the people.

@Roussette

Give me one or any of those 3 than this charlatan in no.10.

I trust them. I may not like them but they have some moral compass. BJ has none. He's a proven liar determined to hang onto this role whilst damaging the country

I agree with you but I don't think Cummings and his co-conspirators should be dictating who runs the country either. We need a massive clean up.

@Notonthestairs

"The PM broke the law and misled Parliament.

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If that is a certainty, why do we need an investigation - let alone two separate investigations - into Partygate?"

The reports are a paper version of a fridge. Somewhere to hide.

I think we all knew that certain people would denigrate any sort of report, even if written by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

The trouble is, the dullards (such as John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May) are often no good at getting things done.

But Johnson doesn’t fall into either camp because he finds policy and government boring.

"Certain people" Yes I think the reports were intended to simply provide a buffer and to obfuscate. They may end being something else entirely but I don't think that was their original purpose.

And we will never know either way unless they are published in full.

@Florianus

Starmer is said to own seven acres of land in Surrey worth up to £10 million, as well as a London property £1 million. More, I suggest, than most people who regard themselves as middle class. It makes it difficult to promote himself as a man of the people

How much do you know about the 7 acres of land?

1. It was land near his mum's house in a field that he bought so his mum could see donkeys. So it's a donkey sanctuary

2. It was acquired back in 1996 - the land is not for sale and there doesn't seem to be any plans to develop - despite a need for houses

3. 7 acres - so basically a large field

4. Owns a £1 million house in London. I guess that's not uncommon for London. Given the extreme house prices there.

I guess you knew about the donkey sanctuary.

@merrymouse

The trouble is, the dullards (such as John Major, Gordon Brown and Theresa May) are often no good at getting things done.

But Johnson doesn’t fall into either camp because he finds policy and government boring.

I think its the theatricality of the job that appeals to Johnson - something that never seemed to appeal to Major, Brown or May. I was trying to think what I can remember of Gordon Brown, and I fear it was probably long speeches of mind-numbing intricacy.

He grew up in the Stockbroker belt and went to the highly selective Reigate Grammar School which became a top independent school while he was a pupil (although his parents didn't have to pay

So grew up in Surrey to parents who were a nurse and a toolmaker, went to a grammar school after passing the 11 plus, - that's a good journey. I'd be interested to hear his views on education and the education system.

You do know that people other than stockbrokers live in Surrey. Someone has to work in the hospitals there. And make their tools.

I think its the theatricality of the job that appeals to Johnson - something that never seemed to appeal to Major, Brown or May. I was trying to think what I can remember of Gordon Brown, and I fear it was probably long speeches of mind-numbing intricacy

Johnson is laser focused on Ukraine. I struggle to associate those words with him.

I would prefer a detailed person instead of a showman. Because when stuff gets real, people find out what someone is really like - and that their showmanship is just that. All show.

Starmer is said to own seven acres of land in Surrey worth up to £10 million

A man of the people. Who are the people? You mean the working class? I thought we were long past left wingers having to be a man of the people. It's ludicrous regressive nonsense.
As for the land - he bought a plot of land behind his parents house so his late disabled money could keep donkeys. I'm not even a Labour voter but this sort of misrepresentation boils my piss. If its worth £10m now that's nothing to do with him.

@JaniieJones

'Your desperation to be the lone voice (well one of 3 desperate voices here) '

Flo doesn't sound desperate, rather very patient and reasonable and I'm not desperate thanks. Some of you really don't like anyone disagreeing with you do you? It's a chat forum! There will be different opinions. Maybe start a blog or join the the Labour fan club if you just want back slaps and high fives?

Who said I was a fan of labour?

What I've said is that Boris Johnson (the NP invited for) has proven he is no longer fit to be PM because he can't be trusted.

It's entirely possibly to not think Boris is fir for PM whilst also not thinking Labour should be in power 🤷‍♀️