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Notonthestairs · 30/01/2022 14:49

Excusing the Prime Minister breaking the law and misleading Parliament on the basis of a 40 year old sit com is a new pivot.

I can't imagine Jim Hacker leaving his STRAP papers accessible.

Rawnsley if you are out there I hope you taking notes.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 14:50

*All the opinion polling suggests that voters are furious with the prime minister and a substantial majority, which includes about half of those who voted Conservative in 2019, think he should be removed from office.

And then he links to a poll showing 38% of Conservative voters think Boris Johnson should resign - so not "about half" in his link.*

@Clavinova Would you be happy if the article instead said that less than half of conservative voters think that Boris should remain in office?

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Florianus · 30/01/2022 14:51

@Notonthestairs

Excusing the Prime Minister breaking the law and misleading Parliament on the basis of a 40 year old sit com is a new pivot.

I can't imagine Jim Hacker leaving his STRAP papers accessible.

Rawnsley if you are out there I hope you taking notes.

Notonthestairs: Excusing the Prime Minister breaking the law and misleading Parliament on the basis of a 40 year old sit com is a new pivot.

Nobody is doing that, so don't join the fibbers. Did you really not understand what my piece concerning Yes Minister was about?

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 15:06

Really informative post @Clavinova, particularly the Bingham info and how interesting that the polls show the electorate aren't quite as brainwashed by the media as some of here would like to think.

derxa · 30/01/2022 15:06

Breaking: Reports are reaching us that Boris Johnson has been accused of repeatedly leaving the toilet seat up. Tweet I read a minute ago

Clavinova · 30/01/2022 15:07

Zonder
I wonder if you understand what is meant by a fixed penalty fine?
Oh dear...
A bit like it could be £60 fixed penalty for parking in a particular spot. Then £100 fixed penalty for parking in that spot and not paying within a week.

No, that's not right - in your example it would be a fixed penalty of £100 reduced to £60 if you paid within a week - not the other way around.

Similar scenario here -

In 2016 David Lammy was fined £5,000 by the Information Commissioner - for authorising 35,000 nuisance calls in two days as he tried to win the party’s nomination to be London mayor.

If Lammy pays by 5 April [2016] the fine will be reduced to £4,000.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/10/david-lammy-fined-over-mayoral-bid-nuisance-calls

David Lammy is Labour's Shadow Foreign Secretary - perhaps he could arrange 35,000 recorded messages to Moscow in the hope that he might be able to change Putin's mind about Ukraine.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 15:07

More fool them - the Labour Party had its worst defeat since 1935 and the Lib Dem leader lost her seat.

So what? Back in 1935, the last pre-War Government, the Tories won 386 seats. In 1945, they won 197, and lost 189 or very nearly half their seats.

Thatcher at her height in 1983 - 397
After a route by Blair in 1997 - 165 seats to Blair's 418

Who is to say that this could not happen again?

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 15:09

'Other parties went on GMB and got the Morgan treatment..'

Oh they absolutely didn't. Starmer and Angie had Morgan bumlicking and waving his sycophantic pompoms. No, they didn't have screeching over them at all.

Notonthestairs · 30/01/2022 15:09

I'm not interested in posts which I think are intended to deflect proper attention from what matters.

The PM broke the law and misled Parliament.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 15:12

@JaniieJones

Really informative post *@Clavinova*, particularly the Bingham info and how interesting that the polls show the electorate aren't quite as brainwashed by the media as some of here would like to think.

@JaniieJones Would you like to have a discussion about why it was appropriate for a 56year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children?

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Roussette · 30/01/2022 15:13

Yes he did. Well said.
The truth hurts for some

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 15:16

'Would you like to have a discussion about why it was appropriate for a 56year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children?'

We had this discussion yesterday didn't we? I'll repeat myself. Say we worked in an office and had a cake and coffee for ten mins, have we been to a party? No, no we haven't.

Kids couldn't have parties because there was a pandemic and they were restricting social mixing. Whereas workplace refreshments were allowed. Things like cafeterias etc remained open.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 15:17

@JaniieJones

'Other parties went on GMB and got the Morgan treatment..'

Oh they absolutely didn't. Starmer and Angie had Morgan bumlicking and waving his sycophantic pompoms. No, they didn't have screeching over them at all.

@JaniieJones I would be interested to watch or listen to the last TV or radio interview that Boris did, can you tell me when it was?

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Florianus · 30/01/2022 15:18

@Peregrina

More fool them - the Labour Party had its worst defeat since 1935 and the Lib Dem leader lost her seat.

So what? Back in 1935, the last pre-War Government, the Tories won 386 seats. In 1945, they won 197, and lost 189 or very nearly half their seats.

Thatcher at her height in 1983 - 397
After a route by Blair in 1997 - 165 seats to Blair's 418

Who is to say that this could not happen again?

Labour's greatest fear is that the Conservative party might regenerate itself, as it has so often in the past. A new leader, if there is to be one, who sets the clock back to zero, clears out the old staff and, after appearing to have done a full spring clean, offers voters something new and fresh that’s nothing to do with Boris Johnson.

Admittedly, I cannot yet see who that might be, but a 5th consecutive win for the tories would probably mean the end of Labour. Keir Starmer is a pleasant enough, upper middle-class lawyer, but few would regard him as a charismatic leader.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 15:19

@JaniieJones

'Would you like to have a discussion about why it was appropriate for a 56year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children?'

We had this discussion yesterday didn't we? I'll repeat myself. Say we worked in an office and had a cake and coffee for ten mins, have we been to a party? No, no we haven't.

Kids couldn't have parties because there was a pandemic and they were restricting social mixing. Whereas workplace refreshments were allowed. Things like cafeterias etc remained open.

Kids couldn't have parties because it was a pandemic, but a 56year old could?

You have yet to engage with this discussion.

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borntobequiet · 30/01/2022 15:21

The PM broke the law and misled Parliament.

This

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 15:22

'I would be interested to watch or listen to the last TV or radio interview that Boris did, can you tell me when it was?'

He is on the news all the time being interviewed. We of course have PMQs and until recently we had very frequent press conferences. Think he's too busy running the country to guest on GMB, Loose Women and This Morning?

Florianus · 30/01/2022 15:22

Florianus:
Did you really not understand what my piece concerning Yes Minister was about?

Notonthestairs:
I'm not interested in posts which I think are intended to deflect proper attention from what matters.

So you obviously didn't understand the post. You might at least have the decency to admit that you didn't twig what it was about.

Roussette · 30/01/2022 15:23

I don't want charismatic.
I want boring and even dull, and gets the job done without sleaze, blackmail and inadequate over promoted ministers in the cabinet.
I've had enough of characters, bring on boring

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 15:23

'Kids couldn't have parties because it was a pandemic, but a 56year old could?'

It wasn't a party it was cake in the office. We've just had cake in the kitchen and it most certainly wasn't a party .

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 15:24

@JaniieJones

'I would be interested to watch or listen to the last TV or radio interview that Boris did, can you tell me when it was?'

He is on the news all the time being interviewed. We of course have PMQs and until recently we had very frequent press conferences. Think he's too busy running the country to guest on GMB, Loose Women and This Morning?

When was the last time he sat down and was interviewed for TV or radio? You would have thought it was an easy enough question to answer.

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Florianus · 30/01/2022 15:25

@borntobequiet

The PM broke the law and misled Parliament.

This

If that is a certainty, why do we need an investigation - let alone two separate investigations - into Partygate?

Roussette · 30/01/2022 15:25

Think he's too busy running the country
I'll
Too busy making a nuisance of himself in vaccine centres, or donnng a hard hat and hi-vis on building sites, more like

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 15:25

@JaniieJones

'Kids couldn't have parties because it was a pandemic, but a 56year old could?'

It wasn't a party it was cake in the office. We've just had cake in the kitchen and it most certainly wasn't a party .

Then why was his wife there? Does she work in the office? I wasn't aware of that.

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Clavinova · 30/01/2022 15:26

why it was appropriate for a 56year old to have a birthday party whilst denying that opportunity to millions of children

Millions of children could have a birthday party on 19 June 2020 - albeit outside. Up to 6 people/children from different households could go to a party in a back garden, in a park, on a beach, at the zoo... Most children would choose a 2/3 hour party with a small group of friends over a 10 minute celebration in an office.