Page 17 | What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

22itsallnew · 30/01/2022 13:17

@Peregrina that Andrew Rawnsley piece is like a potted version of these 4 threads (without the derailings!)

The question is how much sleaze can the public stomach?

Kennykenkencat · 30/01/2022 13:17

[quote Alexandra2001]@Walkaround All that is so very true but begs the question "Why is he the UK's PM ?"

What does it say about the Tory party and indeed the electorate.[/quote]
Because the alternative would have had a lot of people, us included, packing our bags and getting out of the country.

I know several people who were scared that Corbyn would get in and had made plans to leave.

Blossomtoes · 30/01/2022 13:19

Rawnsley has definitely nailed it today.

Binkybix · 30/01/2022 13:25

I’m not a Corbyn fan by any means, but genuinely curious what you were scared of to the point you would have left your country of residence @Kennykenkencat

Florianus · 30/01/2022 13:26

@Roussette

Possibly - or possibly the staff took no notice of what he said. Me? I shall wait for the full SG report before jumping in with both feet

Flo if Johnson is as ineffectual as that, he should not be in the job.
He OK'd the drinks events.

I hate to break it to you but there will not be a full SG report, because the Met have stepped in.
But WE THE PUBLIC know. We don't need a half arsed redacted report with all the bad bits taken out

Roussette: Flo if Johnson is as ineffectual as that, he should not be in the job

Every Prime Minister from Thatcher to Cameron has agreed that Yes Minister was an accurate portrayal of how top civil servants ran circles around prime ministers. Quite possibly none of them were up to the job - certainly they are invariably less experienced than their officials.

I hate to break it to you but there will not be a full SG report, because the Met have stepped in

I have already pointed that out, so you are not breaking anything to me. Mind you the Met have already said that they are not investigating half of the events in Partygate, so SG's report may yet reveal points of interest.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 13:31

Every Prime Minister from Thatcher to Cameron has agreed that Yes Minister was an accurate portrayal of how top civil servants ran circles around prime ministers.

Well, only in the sense that the writers of Dad's Army said that their scripts were based on things which actually happened. But we still know that it was fiction.

Roussette · 30/01/2022 13:39

Andrew Rawnsley has nailed most of the nonsense excuses bandied about on here for BJ

Florianus · 30/01/2022 13:45

@Peregrina

Every Prime Minister from Thatcher to Cameron has agreed that Yes Minister was an accurate portrayal of how top civil servants ran circles around prime ministers.

Well, only in the sense that the writers of Dad's Army said that their scripts were based on things which actually happened. But we still know that it was fiction.

Unlike Dad's Army, the scripts for Yes Minister were checked for accuracy by Bernard Donoughue, former head of policy at No.10, and by Marca Williams, former PPS to Harold Wilson who later went on to write Inside Number 10 and Downing Street in Perspective.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 13:47

@Roussette

Andrew Rawnsley has nailed most of the nonsense excuses bandied about on here for BJ

I have to say I wondered whether he had been reading these threads.

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itsgettingweird · 30/01/2022 13:54

@Florianus

You don't find it amusing that a poster on a previous iteration of this thread thought that the Prime Minister's role was to be a messenger?

No, because you either misread or deliberately misunderstood what that poster had written.

Now you keep spamming your mistake, time after time, in the hope of getting people to respond to your nonsense. As I say, it is wasting people's time and is not amusing.

It's exactly what the poster said.

And pot kettle black about not amusing.

Your desperation to be the lone voice (well one of 3 desperate voices here) is turning into some very Boris type ramblings. Plenty of words - not much content

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 13:57

He does not 'nail it'.

Such comments like 'This one is changing into “delay for the detectives”. Johnson loyalists are gleeful that the Met has asked Ms Gray not to reveal key details of the eight events under police investigation' make him sound a bit of a tit tbh.

Nobody is 'gleeful', it is just a fact that the Met get to tell people what to do and obviously their investigation takes priority.

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 13:59

@JaniieJones

He does not 'nail it'.

Such comments like 'This one is changing into “delay for the detectives”. Johnson loyalists are gleeful that the Met has asked Ms Gray not to reveal key details of the eight events under police investigation' make him sound a bit of a tit tbh.

Nobody is 'gleeful', it is just a fact that the Met get to tell people what to do and obviously their investigation takes priority.

Its good to hear that not all Johnson loyalists are gleeful that he is being investigated by the police.

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Roussette · 30/01/2022 14:09

He does not 'nail it'

Well....you would say that wouldn't you?
But surely you recognise the excuses he's used in his article...after all, you've used most of them yourself!

Kennykenkencat · 30/01/2022 14:09

@Binkybix

I’m not a Corbyn fan by any means, but genuinely curious what you were scared of to the point you would have left your country of residence *@Kennykenkencat*

I think we could see what could arise from the antisemitic views which weren’t being dealt with

I could never tell my non jewish friends as they wouldn’t understand.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 14:11

Do you not have a problem with an islamphobic party then Kennykencat?

Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 14:11

@Kennykenkencat Where would you go? Europe is off limits for most (thanks to your own choice) Canada Australia NZ are a long way from elderly parents and would you really up root children from family schools friends exams etc ?

Everyone says this sort of thing but the reality in studies from around the world is its rare for people to leave their country of origin for purely financial reasons.

Of course you get the super rich but they can go anywhere and can fly around the world at will (CV excepted)

SueSaid · 30/01/2022 14:22

'Your desperation to be the lone voice (well one of 3 desperate voices here) '

Flo doesn't sound desperate, rather very patient and reasonable and I'm not desperate thanks. Some of you really don't like anyone disagreeing with you do you? It's a chat forum! There will be different opinions. Maybe start a blog or join the the Labour fan club if you just want back slaps and high fives?

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jgw1 · 30/01/2022 14:28

@JaniieJones

'Your desperation to be the lone voice (well one of 3 desperate voices here) '

Flo doesn't sound desperate, rather very patient and reasonable and I'm not desperate thanks. Some of you really don't like anyone disagreeing with you do you? It's a chat forum! There will be different opinions. Maybe start a blog or join the the Labour fan club if you just want back slaps and high fives?

@JaniieJones While you are here and wanting to chat, can you tell me when the Prime Minister last appeared in a TV or radio interview, I think I missed it which is a shame.

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Binkybix · 30/01/2022 14:35

I think we could see what could arise from the antisemitic views which weren’t being dealt with

I see. Thanks for sharing.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 14:36

What makes people think that those of us who think Johnson is a lying disgrace to the country think we are Labour fans?

I didn't care for May or Major either, but I think both were head and shoulders above Johnson.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 14:42

Too many thinks there!

If we had a Labour PM who was as big lying disgrace as Johnson is, many of us would criticise him too. So would the media.

Clavinova · 30/01/2022 14:43

Rawnsley has definitely nailed it today

No, he hasn't - he writes;

All the opinion polling suggests that voters are furious with the prime minister and a substantial majority, which includes about half of those who voted Conservative in 2019, think he should be removed from office.

And then he links to a poll showing 38% of Conservative voters think Boris Johnson should resign - so not "about half" in his link.

New polling today doesn't back up his article either:

Britain Elects
@ BritainElects
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 39% (-2)
CON: 34% (+3)
LDEM: 9% (-)
GRN: 5% (-1)

via
@ OpiniumResearch
8:01 PM · Jan 29, 2022

Rawnsley credits Dame Kate Bingham in the article but doesn't mention that Boris Johnson was blamed for personally appointing her. The Good Law Project started legal action against the Government, including the appointment of Kate Bingham - using Boris Johnson's photo in their fund raising campaign for the action - they said;

Kate Bingham heads up Britain’s vaccine task force. She’s a venture capitalist with no public health experience, married to a Conservative minister...

Kate Bingham's appointment turned out "better than expected" and the Good Law Project dropped her from the action - therefore Boris Johnson made the right decision to appoint her.

Rawnsley also says that Britain has the highest death toll in Europe - but that's not deaths per million population. And how bad is Joe Biden on Rawnsley's measure - over 900,000 deaths - does Rawnsley think Biden has got anything right with Covid?

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longwayoff · 30/01/2022 14:44

Oh you're here too Clavinova, I refer you to the above.

Clavinova · 30/01/2022 14:46

Other parties went on GMB and got the Morgan treatment...

More fool them - the Labour Party had its worst defeat since 1935 and the Lib Dem leader lost her seat.