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What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?

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jgw1 · 28/01/2022 17:14

Part 4

OP posts:
Florianus · 30/01/2022 12:09

@ClaudineClare

At 11.38 this morning your posted "How is that click bait? It doesn’t click". Six minutes earlier (at 11.32) jgw1 published those same words as a quote (not naming you, but in bold as a quote). Strange if it was a coincidence.

Well it would be syrange if that is what had happened. You need to take a look at the post made at 11:30 by LittleBearPadand then come back and apologise for the insinuation I am or have a sock puppet on this thread. Ta.

Thanks for solving the mystery. It would help if people actually included the name of the poster they are quoting, but the MN software has always been poor at quotes.
ClaudineClare · 30/01/2022 12:11

I do hope Flo will apologise. Troll hunting is frowned on by MNHQ.

Blossomtoes · 30/01/2022 12:12

Are you guys still engaging with this pair of thread derailers? Just ignore them, for goodness sake.

Fortnum and Mason hampers and claret indeed.

Florianus · 30/01/2022 12:12

@22itsallnew

Isn’t a No 10 party participant alledged to have told the police there that ‘we are the only ones allowed to party’?! Who is ‘allowing that’ exactly? The householders Johnson & Carrie.
Or the police at N0.10? Or their Chief of Staff at No.10?

None of these questions are likely to be resolved until the Partygate reports appear.

ClaudineClare · 30/01/2022 12:13

I was trying not to Blossomtoes, but being accused of sock puppetry drew me in.

Notonthestairs · 30/01/2022 12:14

There is no value in the Sue Gray report unless it is published in full.

22itsallnew · 30/01/2022 12:20

@Florianus Possibly - or possibly the staff took no notice of what he said

What you expect us to believe that staff at No 10 take no notice of what the PM said??? Could he possibly be that weak a leader that staff disregard him or go against his wishes knowing there would be no consequence from him?

Wait for the Sue Gray report, Good one!

Florianus · 30/01/2022 12:25

@Notonthestairs

There is no value in the Sue Gray report unless it is published in full.
I agree, but it is very unlikely to be published in full before the Met has finished its own investigation - and that could be a long way away.
Notonthestairs · 30/01/2022 12:34

I don't know if anyone else is interested but Ch4 Dispatches tonight. 6.45. "BJ: Has he run out of road." Andrew Neil I/v Gove and Gauke.

Not sure of the value of the interview without the report so I'm not expecting too much.

I'm going to a birthday party - there will be cake and singing! - but will record and watch tomorrow.

Roussette · 30/01/2022 12:36

Possibly - or possibly the staff took no notice of what he said. Me? I shall wait for the full SG report before jumping in with both feet

Flo if Johnson is as ineffectual as that, he should not be in the job.
He OK'd the drinks events.

I hate to break it to you but there will not be a full SG report, because the Met have stepped in.
But WE THE PUBLIC know. We don't need a half arsed redacted report with all the bad bits taken out

Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 12:37

I suspect the 2 reports will never be released in full, so will become rather meaningless.

I think what might really damage him is whether he gets fined or not but i still maintain he will lead the Cons into the next GE.

ClaudineClare · 30/01/2022 12:38

Thanks for the reminder about that C4 programme Notonthestairs

Walkaround · 30/01/2022 12:49

There is no doubt that the attitude and approach of a Prime Minister will affect, not merely reflect, the culture of those working around them and, ultimately, the country as a whole. That’s why an openly corrupt leader tends to preside over an increasingly openly corrupt establishment - he doesn’t come in with it all ready made and fully corrupted, he moulds it further to suit his needs.

We don’t need a report to know that Boris Johnson is a big drinker (he’s had publicised drunken rows with his now wife and, frankly, looks and sounds like a heavy drinker), so would no doubt have no problem with alcohol swilling about number 10. We also don’t need a report to know he wasn’t keen on his own covid rules and he made it clear from the start that he was personally happy to interpret them extremely flexibly, regardless of how confusing and difficult that made it for the police to enforce them, or the public to know whether or not they were on the right side of them unless they interpreted them as being very stringent. His entire modus operandi is to approach what others perceive to be strict rules and legally binding agreements as grey areas or irrelevancies that can be largely ignored when they are inconvenient. He made that approach clear with Brexit, let alone covid. Of course he knew at the time that others would think that what was going on was partying. He doesn’t really care. He’s not the one harmed by his liberal interpretation of the rules and guidelines, because he is in in the stratum of society that dictates to others, not the strata where others dictate to you, so he neither understands nor has any interest in those affected by his lack of comprehensible and consistent structure and guidance (ie leadership).

BewareTheLibrarians · 30/01/2022 12:52

How about a manifesto lie to break up the party lies?

What about... Still enjoying Boris' downfall Part 4. The one with the report released?
Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 12:52

@Walkaround All that is so very true but begs the question "Why is he the UK's PM ?"

What does it say about the Tory party and indeed the electorate.

longwayoff · 30/01/2022 12:52

O thanks notonthestairs, I'd have missed that basking in the sunshine that is Hotel Portofino on Britbox. It looks absolutely glorious; the story? Who cares? I'm there for the visuals. Optics are everything; Bozo, it seems has forgotten this.

merrymouse · 30/01/2022 12:56

He’s not the one harmed by his liberal interpretation of the rules and guidelines, because he is in in the stratum of society that dictates to others, not the strata where others dictate to you, so he neither understands nor has any interest in those affected by his lack of comprehensible and consistent structure and guidance (ie leadership).

I think it goes further than that - he doesn’t seem to care much about his family either.

Walkaround · 30/01/2022 12:57

@Alexandra2001 - I think it says a large proportion of the electorate now expect their leadership to be corrupt, regardless. Some even confuse corruption with effectiveness and all rules with red tape.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 12:57

Governments can't be held to Manifesto promises. I believe that's been tested in law, but I can't be bothered to look it up right now

jgw1 · 30/01/2022 12:58

@Peregrina

Governments can't be held to Manifesto promises. I believe that's been tested in law, but I can't be bothered to look it up right now
The electorate can hold them to it though.
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Peregrina · 30/01/2022 12:59

he doesn’t seem to care much about his family either.

Which one?

Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 13:02

[quote Walkaround]@Alexandra2001 - I think it says a large proportion of the electorate now expect their leadership to be corrupt, regardless. Some even confuse corruption with effectiveness and all rules with red tape.[/quote]
Ages ago a Tory supporter said to me "Boris is like us, cheats lies drinks too much, thats why i'll vote for him"

merrymouse · 30/01/2022 13:05

Thatcher and Blair were both hugely popular until Thatcher was forced out of office and Blair’s reputation was trashed by Iraq. Both May and Corbyn were shocked by election results.

You just can’t base future performance on past results.

Peregrina · 30/01/2022 13:06

Andrew Rawnsley nails it.

Alexandra2001 · 30/01/2022 13:08

Neither got much more than 43% of the vote, even at the height of their popularity.