Is it illegal to kill a wild animal at work?

[SilverDoe]

Posting for traffic. Is illegal/possible to pursue for animal cruelty if someone kills a wild animal in their work place?

I have been googling but I can only find information really regarding livestock and pets.

I was on your side (and still am re the magpie) but then you said you keep your hamsters on a vegan diet.

Hamsters need a diet with insects as they form a large element of their diet in the wild.
I'm vegetarian and I still feel my hamsters live insects because this is what is natural to them, and vital for their enrichment and health.
Just because they can survive without them doesn't mean that they are not being negatively affected, surviving doesn't mean thriving.
If you aren't willing to feed your hamsters insects, I would question whether they are the right companion for you.

@KissedintheDark the RSPB wouldn’t have acted because they are a conservation charity with no authority to act in cases of animal cruelty. You need to contact either the police or the RSPCA if animal cruelty is happening. Reporting cruelty to birds to the RSPB is like reporting someone with a broken leg on a footpath to the National Trust.

@appleturnovers

You should go to your local paper. That's the sort of story they'd love, a friendly animal, some pics of children looking sad, and bring some shame on the shopkeeper.

You don't have to be ignorant about nature and pest control to still think it's bloody out of order for a human to needlessly kill an animal that wasn't bothering anyone for no reason.

This is why people are saying you've overreacted OP. This poster is advising you to go to the local paper. You've been advised to post this all over social media. It's probably going to get picked up by the Daily Mail (hopefully you haven't ever mentioned your location on any of your other threads). And you STILL don't know what happened. Whilst this guy might not lose his job, there will probably be some 'vigilantes' out there who will do something stupid to target him or the shop.

Trouble is, if you make a fuss about this, more children will hear about it, and be upset.

and he will find out what happened

So your partner doesn't actually know what happened either?

@TheRealityCheque

"I have to say that while I respect that people may disagree with me, I feel heavily gaslit on this thread by some posters. They have attacked my character, the fact that I have (very healthy and happy, free roamed, well loved) pets, have twisted what I have done beyond all sense of proportion, and refuse to consider any other option than the fact that I must be unhinged/hysterical/obsessed/out for blood.

It's honestly ridiculous. And all over an email complaint (which I fully and whole heartedly stand by)"

Making a complaint to someone's employer (and then 'standing by it') without knowing any facts whatsoever regarding what you are alleging to have happened is as close to a definition of 'unhinged/hysterical/obsessed/out for blood' as you are likely to see.

And keeping wild animals caged for human entertainment (no matter how big their cages) simply isn't ok, either.

They're free roaming.

Sending an email complaint is really none of those things by a wide stretch. Listen to what you're saying. "Sending an email is as closed to a definition of obsessed as you are likely to see".

And apparently I'm the hysterical one.

This is why people are saying you've overreacted OP. This poster is advising you to go to the local paper. You've been advised to post this all over social media. It's probably going to get picked up by the Daily Mail (hopefully you haven't ever mentioned your location on any of your other threads). And you STILL don't know what happened. Whilst this guy might not lose his job, there will probably be some 'vigilantes' out there who will do something stupid to target him or the shop

Why am I overreacting because other people are suggesting I do things that I haven't done? That's completely out of order to say.

If you write Fuck the Daily Mail does that mean they don't pick it up?

Fuck the Daily Mail.

@SilverDoe

We live in England. Thank you really for the help. I have emailed a complaint but it is a large chain brand of shops so it's just a generic customer complaint email/web form thing.

This is sad and upsetting. As it's a chain store I would get on social media. Did you speak to the shouting lady to see what information she has?

Hi OP, I understand your frustration and I don't get people on here looking for excuses, making you feel bad etc. That shop manager is a despicable person - to kill a defenceless, friendly bird? I bet he got a kick out of it, that he could do this to the poor creature, probably thinking nobody would care about a bird and no consequences for him. Yes, I do think he'd got a kick out of it, else why the violence? As you pointed out there were many, many other ways to deal with the bird.
And I dont believe for a second it was a mercy killing due to an injury. How could he assess whether the bird could be saved/could recover or not? Surely he would have called RSPCA or the wildlife hospital you mentioned.
People like him make my blood boil. I am also a vegetarian/mostly vegan and hate the suffering we put animals through in general.
Sadly, I dont see much happening here. Although you never know - I'm really glad you sent that email though, and perhaps your DH/other people outraged over this can email too...
Not sure about the legalities but this WAS a very cruel and wholly unnecessary act. I hope the poor birdie's soul rests in peace.

This is sad and upsetting. As it's a chain store I would get on social media. Did you speak to the shouting lady to see what information she has?

Wouldn't you be better off getting the information before going on social media? Just in case the third-hand story we have so far isn't 100% accurate!

@Hoplesscynic

Hi OP, I understand your frustration and I don't get people on here looking for excuses, making you feel bad etc. That shop manager is a despicable person - to kill a defenceless, friendly bird? I bet he got a kick out of it, that he could do this to the poor creature, probably thinking nobody would care about a bird and no consequences for him. Yes, I do think he'd got a kick out of it, else why the violence? As you pointed out there were many, many other ways to deal with the bird. And I dont believe for a second it was a mercy killing due to an injury. How could he assess whether the bird could be saved/could recover or not? Surely he would have called RSPCA or the wildlife hospital you mentioned. People like him make my blood boil. I am also a vegetarian/mostly vegan and hate the suffering we put animals through in general. Sadly, I dont see much happening here. Although you never know - I'm really glad you sent that email though, and perhaps your DH/other people outraged over this can email too... Not sure about the legalities but this WAS a very cruel and wholly unnecessary act. I hope the poor birdie's soul rests in peace.

Thank you

@SilverDoe

If you write Fuck the Daily Mail does that mean they don't pick it up?

Fuck the Daily Mail.

Nah, it's like Beetlejuice, but luckily you only said it twice!

@Wreath21 you are actually unnerving me with your aggression and spite. I get it, you don't agree, but honestly what the fuck is your problem? It's beyond strongly worded dissent now.

Is there a way to block users on here?

That’s a shame op. I would be upset too.

I think it’s sad but this is one of the reasons it’s bad to encourage wildlife to be tame with people. Wildlife being afraid of humans helps them survive. if you take that fear away they might get close to someone who sees them as a pest.

Yanbu OP. Yes the magpie shouldn't technically be in the store but the fact that this untrained person chose to dispatch of it himself rather than go down the proper channels means that the poor thing probably suffered unnecessarily. That's not ok. On that premise alone I would complain definitely.

Without going into detail can I ask how you know it's dead and how you know it was this person who did it? Was it witnessed? Sorry if this has already been answered.

And please stop saying nobody knows what happened. The conversation made it very clear the bird HAS BEEN KILLED. He's fucking GONE. This is absolutely ridiculous at this point. I will not be engaging further with you @Wreath21 your attitude is disturbing me.

@SilverDoe

And please stop saying nobody knows what happened. The conversation made it very clear the bird HAS BEEN KILLED. He's fucking GONE. This is absolutely ridiculous at this point. I will not be engaging further with you *@Wreath21* your attitude is disturbing me.

You say this, but you have been asked specifically what was said and have yet to tell us the words.

I wonder what Wreath does for a living. manages the Co Op

@Hoplesscynic

Hi OP, I understand your frustration and I don't get people on here looking for excuses, making you feel bad etc. That shop manager is a despicable person - to kill a defenceless, friendly bird? I bet he got a kick out of it, that he could do this to the poor creature, probably thinking nobody would care about a bird and no consequences for him. Yes, I do think he'd got a kick out of it, else why the violence? As you pointed out there were many, many other ways to deal with the bird. And I dont believe for a second it was a mercy killing due to an injury. How could he assess whether the bird could be saved/could recover or not? Surely he would have called RSPCA or the wildlife hospital you mentioned. People like him make my blood boil. I am also a vegetarian/mostly vegan and hate the suffering we put animals through in general. Sadly, I dont see much happening here. Although you never know - I'm really glad you sent that email though, and perhaps your DH/other people outraged over this can email too... Not sure about the legalities but this WAS a very cruel and wholly unnecessary act. I hope the poor birdie's soul rests in peace.

We don't know he killed the bird. If he did, we don't know there was violence. Now you're assuming he enjoyed it and got a kick out of it even though we don't know what happened?

You're saying it WAS very cruel on no evidence. Zero.

[quote SilverDoe]@Wreath21 you are actually unnerving me with your aggression and spite. I get it, you don't agree, but honestly what the fuck is your problem? It's beyond strongly worded dissent now.

Is there a way to block users on here?[/quote]
The problem is that you have put a man's job at risk on ZERO EVIDENCE.

@starsaligned

Yanbu OP. Yes the magpie shouldn't technically be in the store but the fact that this untrained person chose to dispatch of it himself rather than go down the proper channels means that the poor thing probably suffered unnecessarily. That's not ok. On that premise alone I would complain definitely.

Without going into detail can I ask how you know it's dead and how you know it was this person who did it? Was it witnessed? Sorry if this has already been answered.

Hiya,

Yes my partner overheard a conversation with a local lady and the store staff. Though it is not clear of the method used, and though I can't quote verbatim because it was not heard by me, my partner has explained to me that it is very obvious that the bird was killed, it was killed in the shop, it was killed by the manager.

Although there is a poster on this thread whose spirit apparently communed with the shop at the time and will inform you I have no evidence, the conversation, while dominated by the lady complaining, was very clear on the fact that the bird was killed in the shop and by shop staff. There was no denial of this, the bird is obviously dead as it is gone, and despite what said poster may say, lady works at the store and is not a nut job, so sincerely doubt she would have been so upset had she not had reason to believe what she was saying was correct.

It also lines up with the fact that the bird had been around for ages, and then within days of entering the shop for brief periods, has now been unalived.

I rest my case.

At the school* not at the store. In case you missed it this shop is right next to a primary school (which my DC attends)