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Is it illegal to kill a wild animal at work?

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SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 09:57

Posting for traffic. Is illegal/possible to pursue for animal cruelty if someone kills a wild animal in their work place?

I have been googling but I can only find information really regarding livestock and pets.

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slashlover · 27/01/2022 13:22

Shop being next to the school is irrelevant. Did your DH actually hear the manager saying he killed the bird, or was it just 'obvious'?

I used to get the odd person ranting at me for things that never happened or where they had got the wrong end of the stick.

Whammyyammy · 27/01/2022 13:24

I would imagine you would get into trouble if you were a zoo keeper.....

starsaligned · 27/01/2022 13:26

@SilverDoe well in that case I would still report the matter stating all the facts you've listed here and request that the store checks CCTV inside and out so it can be looked into? I'm presuming he unalived it either on or around the premises so hopefully he will be caught. That might be the evidence needed.

Agree that @Wreath21 sounds aggressively over invested. Do you work for Co op by any chance?

FurryAntiWaxer · 27/01/2022 13:26

The manager probably did kill the bird, but I'd talk to the shouty lady and get more information before launching a crusade.
Did she see its body or see it being killed? Did anyone get any pictures etc?
Get your proverbial ducks lined up first.

SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:27

@pinkpirlie

I was on your side (and still am re the magpie) but then you said you keep your hamsters on a vegan diet. Hamsters need a diet with insects as they form a large element of their diet in the wild. I'm vegetarian and I still feel my hamsters live insects because this is what is natural to them, and vital for their enrichment and health. Just because they can survive without them doesn't mean that they are not being negatively affected, surviving doesn't mean thriving. If you aren't willing to feed your hamsters insects, I would question whether they are the right companion for you.
I have never read any literature anyway that says hamsters are anything other than scavenger feeds that are primarily granivores (meaning they live on a diet based on seeds and grains) but who will also eat meat opportunely. This does not mean that they need meat like a cat, an obligate carnivore, needs meat. They also do not make up a large part of the diet. Even wild hamsters diets primarily consist of various wild grass seeds, which is in line with their hoarding nature.

While of course it is not harmful to feed hamsters meat, some hamsters, particularly Syrians, are less fond of meat - dwarves usually love mealworms, especially roborovskis who need more protein than the average hamster anyway.

Seeds, some grains, and legumes are actually great sources of protein. All of my hamsters have an enriching, scatter fed diet and have lived longer than average lives by quite a way.

I do not neglect my pets. Like humans, hamsters are more than capable of going their entire lives without eating meat. As long as their diet is balanced and nutritious, they will thrive. If your hamster likes meat like chicken and mealworms, that is absolutely your prerogative to feed. But it does not mean hamsters actually require meat as an essential part of the diet.

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Wreath21 · 27/01/2022 13:28

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SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:30

There is also a useful GA (guaranteed analysis) calculator on the hamster hideout website where you can work out the macronutrient percentages of your hamster's diet to ensure they are getting sufficient protein. I hope this is helpful!

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Inspectorslack · 27/01/2022 13:35

But neither you nor your partner know exactly what happened?

And if the bird was coming in to the shop it was shitting everywhere and potentially spreading disease.

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SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:36

@Inspectorslack

But neither you nor your partner know exactly what happened?

And if the bird was coming in to the shop it was shitting everywhere and potentially spreading disease.

Does not make it okay for him to take this into his own hands and kill the bird.
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Inspectorslack · 27/01/2022 13:37

But you don’t actually know why or how the bird was killed?

AuntyBumBum · 27/01/2022 13:38

Yes it is, depending on the animal.

PossiblyDreaming · 27/01/2022 13:39

I totally agree with @Wreath21. It’s not hatred to think that complaining to someone’s employer when you don’t know the facts is completely out of order. This shouty woman could have just decided that the shop guy killed the magpie while the shop guy had done it completely above board with a pest management company. She could still hold him responsible and be yelling that he killed the bird when he’s done nothing wrong other than stop his shop being closed due to vermin on the produce.

LizzieSiddal · 27/01/2022 13:39

The magpie was not hurt, the manager killed him because he considered him a nuisance by hopping into the shop - despite the fact that he wasn't bothering or harming anyone. He also did not stay in the shop for long periods.

Hmm except the bird was probable shitting all over the place. You obviously have no idea re health and safety in a food shop.

Also get your facts straight before you make a complaint or you’ll end up looking very foolish.

SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:40

@Inspectorslack

But you don’t actually know why or how the bird was killed?
If you knew the wider context of the situation and the behaviour of the bird and the people in the days leading up to this, you would understand why it is so painfully obvious.

Obviously I did not see with my own eyes someone killing the bird. But it is honestly so clear that the bird has been killed, it's actually boggling my mind how hard some people are finding this to believe. I have stated many times a pretty clear version of events as to what has happened.

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SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:42

@PossiblyDreaming

I totally agree with *@Wreath21*. It’s not hatred to think that complaining to someone’s employer when you don’t know the facts is completely out of order. This shouty woman could have just decided that the shop guy killed the magpie while the shop guy had done it completely above board with a pest management company. She could still hold him responsible and be yelling that he killed the bird when he’s done nothing wrong other than stop his shop being closed due to vermin on the produce.
I think you're getting confused, I do not care if some internet randomer "hates" me, I am saying that accusing me of a "hate campaign" is completely batshit.

If it was all above board and pest control was involved then that will be very easily provable for the poor manager then, won't it?

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Mayorquimby2 · 27/01/2022 13:43

What a thread title.

Nothing further to add

Moonmelodies · 27/01/2022 13:43

Perhaps he feared a corvid pandemic.

HeckyPeck · 27/01/2022 13:44

This thread is fucking mad!

Should people who own pets or eat meat (not illegal) not be able to report suspected wildlife crimes?

And do people think illegally killing animals that eat other animals fine and dandy. Bonkers.

And a magpie going into a shop us unhygienic, but someone killing a live animal in a shop is fine? 🤨

OP, I'd ignore the people obviously looking for a fight. I agree with PPs who have suggested talking to the lady at the school and then reporting to the RSPB as a suspected wildlife crime.

Reporting a suspected crime is always ok. Even if you dont have all the evidence. The responsibility for evidence collecting doesn't lie with the person reporting the crime.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 27/01/2022 13:47

@SilverDoe

This is why people are saying you've overreacted OP. This poster is advising you to go to the local paper. You've been advised to post this all over social media. It's probably going to get picked up by the Daily Mail (hopefully you haven't ever mentioned your location on any of your other threads). And you STILL don't know what happened. Whilst this guy might not lose his job, there will probably be some 'vigilantes' out there who will do something stupid to target him or the shop

Why am I overreacting because other people are suggesting I do things that I haven't done? That's completely out of order to say.

Yes. By you creating a thread and writing to his employers, naming the organisations, I've no doubt that you'll talk to this person from school or tell your friends and neighbours, other people are going to have these reactions based on unfounded rumours. Because of your over reaction, other people are going to run with the flame, as proof on this thread.
Icouldabeenalawyer · 27/01/2022 13:48

Not sure why your 1st thought would be an Internet forum for this and not the rspca 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do despise animal cruelty of any kind though.

SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:50

I have anonymously posted here, and I have contacted the chain's website through email.

I have not posted on social media, I have not spoken to anyone about it. My partner was going to speak to the manager directly to ascertain exactly what happened. Although people have suggested I post on social media, speak to the school lady, speak to the papers, I have done no such thing.

You are being very presumptuous of my actions. There of over 4,000 of these stores in the country alone, I hardly doubt he's going to have the paparazzi outside his house Hmm

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SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 27/01/2022 13:51

Can I just check...do you know for sure that this bird is even dead?

SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:52

@Icouldabeenalawyer

Not sure why your 1st thought would be an Internet forum for this and not the rspca 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do despise animal cruelty of any kind though.

Because I was upset and I actually posted this for info while I was writing my complaint email. My only real thought of recourse at the time was actually contact the store chain and telling them that it was wrong and unacceptable for x and y reason, hence why asking that in my OP.
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SilverDoe · 27/01/2022 13:52

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

Can I just check...do you know for sure that this bird is even dead?
Yes the bird is dead.
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