Is it illegal to kill a wild animal at work?

[SilverDoe]

Posting for traffic. Is illegal/possible to pursue for animal cruelty if someone kills a wild animal in their work place?

I have been googling but I can only find information really regarding livestock and pets.

Maybe some posters who don’t understand the OP’s reaction should read ‘The Ancient Mariner’ to see why she is upset.

I've read The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. Are you suggesting that the shop's staff are all mysteriously going to die and that the guy the OP is so unhealthily obsessed with is doomed to live on, cursed, with the dead magpie around his neck, without friends or customers for ever?

Don’t know why you’re getting a hard time op. I think anyone that goes out of their way to kill an animal is messed up in the head. Magpies are intelligent animals and I think it’s totally reasonable to be upset by this needless cruelty.

My partner is going to go and have a word this afternoon when he picks DC up from school. He is not shouty like the lady (although I trust the lady, she works at the school) and he will find out what happened.

Probably should have done that before emailing his employers.

I used to work for the Co-op, had a pigeon get in once or twice, head office refused to send anyone out to help us as they would only do it for certain birds. We always ended up finding the bodies at the back f shelves etc. It would probably have been more humane for us to do it. (Massive shop, high ceilings, no way we could have caught them or shooed them out.)

@chesirecat99

My partner is going to go and have a word this afternoon when he picks DC up from school. He is not shouty like the lady (although I trust the lady, she works at the school) and he will find out what happened.

Wouldn't it make more sense to speak to the woman who works at the school if she may have witnessed what happened? If you tell her you are making a complaint, she might want to complain with you and give her witness account. I doubt the shop manager will be willing to discuss it with your DP.

That's worth considering.

@Soubriquet

But there isn’t!

How do you stop a highly intelligent bird from entering a shop, if they are that determined to go in?

You can’t.

Um...........with a door.

@Pluvia

www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/how-to-report-crimes/“How to report crimes

You play a major role in the fight against wild bird crime as our eyes and ears: Recognise, Record, Report.

If an offence:

a) Is ongoing/urgent consider calling 999 if you need an immediate police response.
b) Otherwise report to the police on 101 and remember to ask for a reference number.
c) Involves suspected poisoned birds, animals or baits contact the government Wildlife Incident Investigation Scheme (WIIS) on Freephone 0800 321600. If outside office hours/urgent contact the police (See above).
d) Involves animal cruelty call the RSPCA 0300 1234 999/ SSPCA 03000 999 999/ USPCA 02830 251000

You may also need to report the incident to us (see ‘What to report to RSPB Investigations’ below). “

“I'm just wondering whether someone who's making such a huge fuss about a predatory, verminous bird happily eats chicken or other animals who've been bred to go through the awful process of abattoirs. It seems perfectly relevant to me.

I live in the countryside and keep animals. I garden for birds and wildlife. I have hedgehogs, foxes and badgers through my garden. I love animals but I'm not sentimental about the fact that animal life is often short, bloody and inhumane. I've been in the garden when a sparrow hawk has swooped on a pigeon and torn it apart just yards away. That wasn't humane!

Sick of sentimental townies thinking that magpies are cute. They're not and I assure you they don't all die quick, painless stress-free deaths in the wild.“

I live in the countryside. I once watched a magpie murder a baby rabbit. I still think the shopkeeper was out of order if he killed it. A bird being mildly annoying to humans is not a great excuse.

@fruitbrewhaha all the Co-op’s near me have automatic doors which I can’t imagine are capable of distinguishing between a magpie and a human

@Regularsizedrudy

Don’t know why you’re getting a hard time op. I think anyone that goes out of their way to kill an animal is messed up in the head. Magpies are intelligent animals and I think it’s totally reasonable to be upset by this needless cruelty.

Thank you.

I have to say that while I respect that people may disagree with me, I feel heavily gaslit on this thread by some posters. They have attacked my character, the fact that I have (very healthy and happy, free roamed, well loved) pets, have twisted what I have done beyond all sense of proportion, and refuse to consider any other option than the fact that I must be unhinged/hysterical/obsessed/out for blood.

It's honestly ridiculous. And all over an email complaint (which I fully and whole heartedly stand by)

I would be pissed off too, no excuse for needless killing. Horrible bastard! I will also add just because something is legal, it doesn’t make it morally right.

It’s funny how people will bring up all the animals that are considered pests and start firing comments about how they’re pests, whilst seemingly oblivious to their own pest like behaviour to the planet.

@Pluvia

Maybe some posters who don’t understand the OP’s reaction should read ‘The Ancient Mariner’ to see why she is upset.

I've read The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. Are you suggesting that the shop's staff are all mysteriously going to die and that the guy the OP is so unhealthily obsessed with is doomed to live on, cursed, with the dead magpie around his neck, without friends or customers for ever?

"Without friends or customers for ever?"

Well, in these days of social media, stranger things have happened!

Scummy thing to do. Thank you for caring about the harmless wee magpie,.sadly it had become too trusting of humans, usually a death knell for any wild animal.

I'm sorry I haven't read the full thread, but I'm with you on this OP. Have you reported it here
www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/wildlife-guides/bird-a-z/magpie/legal-magpie-control-methods/

Magpies are vermin, they prey on the eggs of other birds and are accountable for the decline of species of songbirds.

As they are classed as pests it is perfectly legal and permissible to dispatch them.

The majority of slaughter of animals and birds in the UK is legal.
It’s all senseless. Not needed.
OP are you vegan? Those who aren’t, are complicit in the slaughter of millions of creatures each year, in horrific circumstances.

@Lady089

I would be pissed off too, no excuse for needless killing. Horrible bastard! I will also add just because something is legal, it doesn’t make it morally right.

It’s funny how people will bring up all the animals that are considered pests and start firing comments about how they’re pests, whilst seemingly oblivious to their own pest like behaviour to the planet.

Indeed.

We have a local tame wild magpie. I say tame because he arrives for his meals and shows off his children too. We have never touched him or got closer than a foot or 2. Locally he is absolutely adored.

It’s awful that this has happened.

OP it's because you've taken 2 and 2 and come up with 5.
You've heard through the grapevine and acted without clarifying the facts.

I understand that you're upset IF what you THINK has happened actually happened. But, you don't know. You don't know if he did it, where he did it or why he did it....

They have attacked my character, the fact that I have (very healthy and happy, free roamed, well loved) pets, have twisted what I have done beyond all sense of proportion, and refuse to consider any other option than the fact that I must be unhinged/hysterical/obsessed/out for blood.

But OP, you've started a witch-hunt without any evidence. As far as I'm aware there is no lifeless body, no bloody brick or air rifle, no nothing — just hearsay. And yet you're taking action that could cost a man his job. You've libelled him with no evidence to support your claims. Better hope he doesn't find this thread.

@SilverDoe

We have a local very friendly magpie. He is wild, not hand reared or anything but very friendly and people oriented, quite well known.

He lived near the local shops, right next to my DC's school, and recently had hopped into the local shop a couple of times.

My partner took our DC to school this morning and a lady from the school was shouting at the manager. He obviously heard and it has transpired that he has taken it upon himself to kill this poor creature :(

I'm deeply upset. Many people knew of the magpie and it's right next to a primary school ffs. I want to take action against him if at all possible.

Unfortunately it seems it's ok to kill and even torture magpies as I found out when I contacted the RSPB about some magpies being abused. No one in authority cares. Bastards.

@XiCi

It's legal to kill magpies. It wasn't that long ago that some councils paid you to do so. They are vermin and kill other birds and are responsible for declines in numbers of many bird species

No, it isn't. It used to be, but this was under the terms of a general licence which the government renews annually. The terms relating to magpies have become considerably more restrictive in recent years. Magpies can now only be killed legally if you are doing so for the purposes of conserving wild birds of conservation concern, or if the magpie is directly attacking livestock. Unless the shop manager can show one of these justifications, he broke the law by killing this magpie.

"I have to say that while I respect that people may disagree with me, I feel heavily gaslit on this thread by some posters. They have attacked my character, the fact that I have (very healthy and happy, free roamed, well loved) pets, have twisted what I have done beyond all sense of proportion, and refuse to consider any other option than the fact that I must be unhinged/hysterical/obsessed/out for blood.

It's honestly ridiculous. And all over an email complaint (which I fully and whole heartedly stand by)"

Making a complaint to someone's employer (and then 'standing by it') without knowing any facts whatsoever regarding what you are alleging to have happened is as close to a definition of 'unhinged/hysterical/obsessed/out for blood' as you are likely to see.

And keeping wild animals caged for human entertainment (no matter how big their cages) simply isn't ok, either.

It was friendly, it would approach people and do stuff like pull their shoe laces which I've read is a sign of play.

This would freak me out and if the bird was in the shop, I wouldn’t be.

You should go to your local paper. That's the sort of story they'd love, a friendly animal, some pics of children looking sad, and bring some shame on the shopkeeper.

You don't have to be ignorant about nature and pest control to still think it's bloody out of order for a human to needlessly kill an animal that wasn't bothering anyone for no reason.

Haven’t read the whole thread but my mum reported a child the the rspca for through frogs from a high rise. The child was told off by an official, I don’t know who. But this was the 1960’s.

I don’t blame you for being upset OP. Violent people often begin with harming and killing animals for a thrill. I can’t imagine being that sick.