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To think Montessori is massively overhyped?

231 replies

Sherekhancarolbaskin · 19/01/2022 01:38

Or does it truly have proven pedagogic advantages?

I’m already not a fan of the Waldorf Steiner method at all.

Montessori does seem a lot better to me but after having looked into it a lot of it seems a bit off to me. Besides the fact Maria Montessori did questionable things as a parent herself, abandoning her own son

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sociallydistained · 19/01/2022 17:26

I worked in a Montessori once It was the worst one and I worked in many 🙈

3scape · 19/01/2022 17:30

The Nazis were big fans.

SantaClawsServiette · 19/01/2022 17:35

I think MM had some great ideas, and others not so great. I would send my child to a school that was using a lot of her ideas, if it was otherwise good, but not a strict one.

Steiner OTOH was a nutter. Some schools that call themselves Steiner schools aren't really, but many of their ideas are silly and even dangerous.

My own favorite historic educator is Charlotte Mason, who was English, though there aren't many, if any, schools using her method now. She was more or less a contemporary of MM, and her Mason's main criticism of her method was that she felt children shouldn't be put into special environments, but really they learned through interacting in normal environments in normal ways with normal things. She also thought stories and imagination were really important for children, without trying to tell them that technology was powered by gnomes like the Steiner people.

Curlyreine · 19/01/2022 17:37

@3scape

The Nazis were big fans.
Oh for goodness sake. No they weren't.

Can you not use google ?

This thread has turned into a bashing thread where people say stupid things, without grit, back up, experience or information.

If anyone would like to have a healthy discussion and get a serious overview and guidance, I would suggest they contact the AMI institute rather than read the absolute drivel
and untruths that are being posted here.

pastypirate · 19/01/2022 18:16

@feelsobadfeltsogood

All of load of pretentious rubbish with delusional parents and teachers who aren't even qualified teachers

There was one near us it got shut down I don't know why they are allowed to operate to be honest

Please indulge me with what you think Montessori is....
ancientgran · 19/01/2022 18:52

@3scape

The Nazis were big fans.
Of Steiner or Montessori? I can imagine them like some of the Steiner beliefs on race.
immersivereader · 19/01/2022 21:02

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immersivereader · 19/01/2022 21:04

Just checked the prices and fuck me that's ridiculous for a pre schooler. Secondary, yes, but a four year old? Get real

purpleme12 · 19/01/2022 21:15

I just checked the prices of a Montessori nursery
Although we don't have any near us - the nearest is in the next city - that one is £20 more expensive (per day) that the nearest nursery to us. Quite a difference!!

Worried456776 · 19/01/2022 21:27

Mine is at a Montessori nursery, I’m not sure if I like it- they seem strict and it looks very bland inside. But he seems to love it and settled in well🤷🏻‍♀️

Worried456776 · 19/01/2022 21:28

@sociallydistained

I’m interested why was it the worst ?

UndertheCedartree · 19/01/2022 21:58

@newnamenewyear

Some observations about differences between the Early Years Foundation Stage (EYFS) - i.e. standard nurseries and reception) & Montessori:

IIRC, EYFS recommends that all childen should have access to the outside at all times if possible. Montessori doesn't.

My DC's reception class in a mainstream primary was a wonderful place of free-flow learning, with activities set up around the class and outside designed to appeal this specific group of kids. (They visited us all at home before the DC started school and found out what their interests were so they could do this.)

The children could choose whether they learned inside or outside, and there were tasks set up outside to suit the children who liked to be active and noisy, as well as calmer activities inside for the DC who likes to learn quietly and calmly - unlike the Montessori that only catered for DC who knew how to sit quietly all day - an unreasonable ask of nursery & reception age DC if you ask me!

The Montessori was much more rigid. All the DC were sitting at tables for one, or on mats, for one. They had the choice of which bits of equipment to use (Montesorri standard, only), but it was clear that they were expected to get it, come back to a space for one, and interact with it on their own, not play with others. I noticed when DC did play together, the Montessori teacher subtly stopped the play. I don't know if it was just this teacher or if this is typical but I found it controlling and stiffling of creativity and play.

For example, two girls started playing and dancing together. The teacher stopped the whole class, stopped the girls' game and brought them all together in a circle so they could take turns to go into the circle one at a time and dance. I was annoyed for the girls, they were having a lovely game together, it really didn't need the teacher to formalise it.

Similarly, a child wanted to roll around with one of the little mats, pretending he was a sausage roll. It was, again, a bit of spontaneous creativity. He was gently encouraged to stop too. Another boy wasn't using his equipment in the "correct" way, so he was gently guided to do so.

There was no home corner, no book corner, no messy play, no free flow to outside, no groups of children playing together. It was so controlled, free play and genuine creativity was squashed. I absolutely hated it. And I hate to think how a noisy child who needs a lot of exercise and stimulation would fare there. Not well, I imagine.

The one that was mixed Montessori / modern methods seemed a lot better than the strict one, which was just unnecessarily dogmatic IMO.

I was interested to see you say the DC had to work individually. At my DD's nursery which was mixed the Montessori teacher explained that they would have 2 DC from each age group in the Montessori classroom. This was so the younger ones could learn from the older ones.
newnamenewyear · 19/01/2022 22:29

I was interested to see you say the DC had to work individually. At my DD's nursery which was mixed the Montessori teacher explained that they would have 2 DC from each age group in the Montessori classroom. This was so the younger ones could learn from the older ones.

They were all encouraged to work totally alone. Each sat at a table for one (each with a small vase of flowers on it), or they could get a mat (for one) and sit on the floor.

I don't know how typical this is - certainly in the mixed methods Montesorri down the road, children have tables for 6 or so, and they sat at them together.

But this place did pride itself on being "true" Monstessori so I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in a lot of them.

UndertheCedartree · 19/01/2022 22:39

[quote Goldbar]@OfstedOffred. I don't disagree with you. It's effectively a question of resources. But I think the jump from a mostly play-based approach in reception to one that is mostly based on didactic instruction in Y1 is a bit sad.[/quote]
I agree with this. My DD's school did seem to transition them a bit in that in Y1 they still did free flow in the afternoon and then Y2 it was free flow for an hour a day.

MammaBear18 · 20/01/2022 00:22

I think this thread really highlights why AMI should really license the name Montessori. Lots of nurseries seem to think they can just thrown in some wooden toys and call themselves that. It's so sad that it's giving proper Montessori a bad name as is evident in the comments shares here

DS goes to a Montessori preschool, the accredited one. Every teacher is qualified and registered. There is some structure, but also free flow - for example lunch is an hour period and children can choose at which point they want to sit down and eat. Free access to the garden.

Lots of pretend play - actually Montessori encourages dressing up as characters and encourages parents to keep a basket of costumes at home.

There is some independent work, following child's interest, but all tables are set up for 6 to encourage group work. Children are divided into 'classes' and they learn topics together, typically one 'lesson' a day.

So many art and crafts, we get folders of the stuff brought home.

The problem with 'unauthorised' Montessori nurseries is that they pick and choose - some go too soft, some clutch onto the strict and routine and think that makes them Montessori.

RobinPenguins · 20/01/2022 08:38

But the nurseries described as bad experiences for people are precisely the ones doing the “proper”, strict Montessori rules, not the ones adopting elements of it but having a degree of flexibility to recognise that children are different and what suits one won’t suit all. These aren’t the settings giving it a bad name.

RobinPenguins · 20/01/2022 08:39

Apart from the bit about lunch, what you’ve described is exactly what they do at the non-Montessori nursery my child attends.

Curlyreine · 20/01/2022 10:07

@RobinPenguins

But the nurseries described as bad experiences for people are precisely the ones doing the “proper”, strict Montessori rules, not the ones adopting elements of it but having a degree of flexibility to recognise that children are different and what suits one won’t suit all. These aren’t the settings giving it a bad name.
What are these strict rules?
Curlyreine · 20/01/2022 10:08

It is impossible to compare two different pedagogical approaches when the majority of the posters have no understanding of both.

As this thread clearly demonstrates.

MarshaBradyo · 20/01/2022 10:17

@RobinPenguins

But the nurseries described as bad experiences for people are precisely the ones doing the “proper”, strict Montessori rules, not the ones adopting elements of it but having a degree of flexibility to recognise that children are different and what suits one won’t suit all. These aren’t the settings giving it a bad name.
Which rules do you mean?
MarshaBradyo · 20/01/2022 10:20

Ime it was the opposite

The nursery that tagged the name on for marketing and slight change was no where near the nursery that did the full lot, but the staff had higher pay, there was more room and lots of activities which helped

Kinsters · 20/01/2022 10:21

It's only an anecdote but I didn't go to Montessori, just the school affiliated playgroup. My brother and sister went to the expensive Montessori. No noticeable better outcomes for my siblings compared to me - I'm probably the most academic and independent tbh.

MammaBear18 · 20/01/2022 10:35

@RobinPenguins

Apart from the bit about lunch, what you’ve described is exactly what they do at the non-Montessori nursery my child attends.
Of course they are similar, because Montessori teachings have been the foundation on which a lot of the Early Years framework is built on.... At its time, it was a very important, groundbreaking even, study into how children learn and play. The recommendations it makes have been incorporated into pretty much all aspect of early years learning. So arguing that Montessori is different is a bit pointless.
MammaBear18 · 20/01/2022 10:38

@RobinPenguins

But the nurseries described as bad experiences for people are precisely the ones doing the “proper”, strict Montessori rules, not the ones adopting elements of it but having a degree of flexibility to recognise that children are different and what suits one won’t suit all. These aren’t the settings giving it a bad name.
Again you are showing your lack on understanding of the Montessori method. The first principle is 'follow the child'. There is so much flexibility in that statement. If the nursery calls themselves Montessori, and imposes strict rules on children then that is the manager's decision, not following of the Montessori principles. I think places like that would have no chance to gain their AMI accreditation.
Beowulfthethird · 20/01/2022 10:52

Here for the demon faced needle felted fairies pretending to be Woldorf.

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