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Should he stay with his elderly mother?

94 replies

badspella · 14/01/2022 09:07

I am caught between two very strong sets of opinions with respect to a situation relating to the care of my elderly mother in law.

MIL is 89 and has the early stages of dementia. She is not poorly enough to need daily care, but my husband (her son) pops in to see her every day, and her husband (husband's stepfather) receives daily care for chronic mobility problems (help getting up and dressed etc). The carers also check on MIL.

My husband's stepfather had a nasty fall yesterday and he has broken his hip. He is now in hospital and will almost certainly need an operation. It is estimated that he will be in hospital for about two weeks, if no complications set in. It is also likely that complications will set in because the poor man has had several episodes of sepsis over the past five years.

MIL would like my husband to stay with her until her husband returns home. She lives in a very rural setting, and, although she is quite healthy, she is 89, walks with a stick and there is a risk of her falling. She is very afraid of being on her own, particularly at night,

My husband and I do not live together and he has no work commitments. My husband is adamant that he cannot stay with his mother. He states that they do not really get on and that his mother constantly follows him and asks him repetitive questions. He stayed with her for a few days when his stepfather was in hospital last year, and it ended with my husband leaving abruptly (to put it mildly) and upsetting his mother. He will, however see her every day.

Yesterday, my MIL called me and pleaded with me to try to persuade my husband to stay with her. She did sound quite upset. I talked to her and told her I would speak to my husband, and that he would see her every day whatever the case. My husband, however, is vehemently opposed to staying with his mother, even for a short time.

I would stay, if it was possible. However, I am the sole carer for our young adult son who is in MH crisis, I do not drive, and I could not work from my MIL's property (no Internet). Furthermore, it is my husband whom she wants to stay. We get on well, and speak every day on the phone, but she wants her son to stay.

On one hand, I feel that as long as my husband sees his mother every day, and her care needs are met, there should be no problem, and this would be better than my husband losing his temper or storming off.

On the other hand, I feel really sorry for his mother, who is very old, very worried about her husband and very scared.

What should I do in this situation? I really feel for my MIL, but I am aware of what happened last year.

OP posts:
AtlasPine · 14/01/2022 09:11

What a sad situation. I don’t really know what you can do. Would she consider residential respite care? It might be a good gateway into a smooth transition if fil doesn’t come back from hospital.

HacerSonarSusPasos · 14/01/2022 09:15

My husband and I do not live together and he has no work commitments

So he doesn't parent and doesn't work? Have I got that right?

JDaytona · 14/01/2022 09:16

I don't think there's anything you can personally do here.

Has he suggested that they move to a smaller less rural property that would be more sensible for them?

SilverHairedCat · 14/01/2022 09:16

She needs either respite care or an overnight sleep ij companions.

If she needs personal care, I can understand why her son doesn't want to do that either.

Can you contact SS - or rather, direct your DH to do this - as her carer is now hospitalised. He needs to state he can't go there everyday and that he's not prepared to stay at night.

HeddaGarbled · 14/01/2022 09:18

I would tell him she phoned you and what she said, but then I would butt out and leave him to make his own decision without trying to persuade him.

It’s too late for this occasion, but the alarm-call bracelets/necklaces are useful for exactly this situation.

RampantIvy · 14/01/2022 09:21

@HacerSonarSusPasos

My husband and I do not live together and he has no work commitments

So he doesn't parent and doesn't work? Have I got that right?

I am puzzled as to what his role is in life as well. Does he have mental health issues?
MatildaTheCat · 14/01/2022 09:21

If he won’t then he won’t but he needs to come up with a plan because one thing is certain: this situation can only deteriorate.

Could he bring himself to just sleep there if that’s feasible? If he visits daily then presumably he doesn’t live too far from her.

FelicityPike · 14/01/2022 09:23

Your husband doesn’t work, lives by himself and is being a twisted arsehole regarding his vulnerable mother?
(None if my business ut….) why are you still married to this Prince amount men.?

Blanketpolicy · 14/01/2022 09:31

I would not be impressed if my commitment free dh left his elderly mum who had dementia that vulnerable just because he couldn't cope with some of the symptoms.

If he can't step up then he needs to make other arrangements to keep her safe.

Mummyratbag · 14/01/2022 09:43

Can't he sleep there overnight, get her settled in the morning and then go home during the day? It seems she is most afraid at night and he sees her daily anyway. I presume she isn't following him around at night?

Get her up, breakfast, any meds, leave her with a sandwich, snacks and a flask (if she is capable), check she is safe, warm and has TV. Return early evening?

parietal · 14/01/2022 09:45

caring for someone with dementia is very hard work and can be a massive emotional challenge too when that person is your mum. 2 weeks full-on might well be exhausting for your DH and if he believes that he can't cope with it, he should be able to say no.

can you afford carers? As in, pay someone to visit regularly or even to live in as a dementia carer for 2 weeks? There are care agencies that will supply carers - expensive but it works.

this would also be a good time to get a care assessment for his mother's needs and think about a longer term plan for her - she will need more and more care over the next few years.

Caterinasballerinas · 14/01/2022 09:50

Could they be talked into a compromise where he stays every other night or two on one off kind of thing. So they both get a break and also in case the situation does last more than 2 weeks because if he did move in as requested, it could be very sensitive at the end of 2 weeks if he wants to leave and she’s not ready.

I too was unsure what your DH does if he doesn’t work or live with you!

girlmom21 · 14/01/2022 09:54

Assuming he's an only child, he should stay with her, but he won't. Is he with his other family or something?

I'm guessing she doesn't want to be alone when she's sleeping so can he just stay there 10pm-8am and contact a private care company for daytime visits? That way he doesn't have to interact much with her but she'll feel safer.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 14/01/2022 09:55

Is there a compromise? Like he can visit twice a day for a couple of hours instead of just once a day for an hour, and you can call to check in on her before bed and first thing or something. If she is worried about falling can he get get one of those watch or bracelet things that she can wear all the time and press if she gets stuck.

user1471505494 · 14/01/2022 10:01

@HacerSonarSusPasos

My husband and I do not live together and he has no work commitments

So he doesn't parent and doesn't work? Have I got that right?

His Mum is 89. It is very possible that he is retired
CheeseCakeSunflowers · 14/01/2022 10:02

Does she have an alarm. At the very least I would get her one of the type tnat hangs round her neck so she can activate it if she falls.

NoLongerTroels · 14/01/2022 10:04

She must be so scared to call and ask you to persuade him to come and stay.
She's used to having someone there all night (her Dh) and she's used to the carers coming in for him and chances are chatting to her at the same time. She's old she's lonely and has Dementia she needs care, either he goes to stay or call adult social services to see if help can be given.
This could be enough of a shock for her that her dementia may suddenly get worse.

AuntyBumBum · 14/01/2022 10:05

@HacerSonarSusPasos

My husband and I do not live together and he has no work commitments

So he doesn't parent and doesn't work? Have I got that right?

Oh god! ...
CharSiu · 14/01/2022 10:06

I think an explanation of what he is actually doing would be helpful, I’m assuming you are staying with your DS to help him out. Sounds like you are taking the mental load of the family issues. I think him staying overnight is probably what she really wants and is manageable.

Zilla1 · 14/01/2022 10:15

At 89 with mobility issues and early stage dementia and living in an isolated setting then a daily visit might not touch of sides of safety though you can only control what you do, OP, rather than mediate your MIL's wishes and your DP's boundaries. It might not be so much that MIL wants permanent presence rather that FIL has been keeping her safe. Does your DP expect the world to revolve around him and does he do anything to support you and your DC?

158W0rkawayArk · 14/01/2022 10:16

If he doesn't wish to stay overnight

Practical things that could be put in place at MIL property

Personal fall alarm worn by MIL
CCTV
Outside lights which activate when there is movement
Night lights Inside the property that plug into the wall or stick to the wall
Ring door bell
A dog ?
A carer

Zilla1 · 14/01/2022 10:27

All good suggestions but none of those will necessarily make some people with dementia safe at night. Have been involved in patients' safeguarding where distant family members insist on trying to keep a family member stay in their home when the patient wants to go into a residential setting and is obviously unsafe at home and a short visit from the family member doesn't touch the sides. Not for the OP here but a couple of times it appeared the family were concerned about losing inheritance and day to day access to spending money.

Foolsrule · 14/01/2022 10:43

It sounds as though everyone has had their heads in the sand about old age and care needs. This situation is not sustainable. Both MIL and SFIL need to be somewhere where they are looked after properly. They should have made plans to move somewhere more appropriate before crisis point was hit. I see this time and again and then suddenly it’s panic stations as a home that was suitable for a family and drivers becomes a prison for someone elderly and infirm. There needs to be much more focus on people adapting and moving before something like this occurs.

MrsSkylerWhite · 14/01/2022 10:46

I would agree to stay if I were your husband on condition that his mum agrees to them trying to use the time to put in motion moving to sheltered housing with a warden.
Living rurally at their age with complicated health issues isn’t sustainable and the situation will become progressively more demanding.

ThreeLittleDots · 14/01/2022 10:46

He needs to ring adult social care for an urgent vulnerable person needs assessment.

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