Carrie Johnson - time to resign

[PersonaNonGarter]

I realise she isn’t an elected politician, but Carrie Johnson gives me red mist. It’s a combination of her smug OW-ness and the flat refurbishment and general influence on the staff hires at Number 10. And the fact that she is so unaccountable.

YABU - it’s misfired anger, Boris is ultimately responsible for everything including his wife

YANBU - she has agency and influence and hiring an £££ interior designer was hardly Boris’s idea was it

She is a bit of a Trophy wife for sure . As far as pulling his strings its just a take on how they like to be perceived I think .Boris is a Career politician with a ruthless streak .I think that if he wants to have the last say he will.Its simply stirring by DC that has led everyone to feel shes a gold digger with her own agenda ,bossing staff around ,choosing expensive fittings for the flat and so on .How can you say you dont like her when you dont know her.You mean you dont like what you have read about her .Its not quite the same thing!

They all need to go, the whole corrupt bunch of conservatives. Johnson is a terrible leader and is even worse now that we seem to be coming out of the pandemic. He has zero leadership skills and seems to get by just by pleasing his backbenchers.

I will be glad when they call the general election and I can vote the whole rotten lot out.

@ShepherdMoons

They all need to go, the whole corrupt bunch of conservatives. Johnson is a terrible leader and is even worse now that we seem to be coming out of the pandemic. He has zero leadership skills and seems to get by just by pleasing his backbenchers.

I will be glad when they call the general election and I can vote the whole rotten lot out.

Amen.

I don't think Carrie has as much influence as people like to think. I honestly think Boris is selfish and will gladly allow other people to blame his wife for HIS poor decisions and judgement. He's not a good man. I actually feel sorry for her in the long term, he's not got good form.

@Biffatcrafts

The problem is not Carrie per se, although I agree she comes across as a very unlikeable, smug, self serving person. The greater problem is that no politicians, including Boris, are ever really held to account for their actions and decisions whilst in office.

They can, it seems, lie to us, lie to each other, even to the Queen, f* up the country, fill their mates' pockets, make a pigs ear of almost anything, and when the shit starts to fly back in their faces they just breeze off, legally untouchable, into 7 figure jobs (courtesy of their now richer-than-ever friends) and suffer no repercussions whilst the rest of us suffer the consequences, financial and otherwise.

Until politicians are held legally, criminally, accountable, politics is always going to be an ever growing mire of corruption, deceit and self serving power hungry d*heads who care primarily about helping themselves before anyone else.

This above.

She works as an advisor to a charity? Why would she resign from that? (If employed rather than freelance).

I actually really like her. She may have given opinions when it wasn’t her place but Boris doesn’t seem like a push over. At least she doesn’t just sit silently in the background.

I voted YABU because clearly she can't resign, as she doesn't work for Boris. She's just married to him.

I don't like her, though, so I'm with you on that.

I don't read The Telegraph but my DPs do. The paper has turned against Johnson and central to that seems to be framing his DW as Lady Macbeth.

It's misogyny pure and simple. Johnson is the one elected, if he's stupid enough to give his unelected DW a seat at the party, that's on him, not on her.

Interesting this thread is still here. Pages and pages of personal attacks on a woman in the public eye but who doesn't have political power. Poster after poster quoting Cumming's view of her as though he's an oracle of truth. And the sheer stupidity of being unable to see why Tories who like and who dislike Boris both want fingers pointed at Carrie.

Boris is to blame. And as a PP said if politicians were actually held to account as people in ordinary jobs are, then he'd have been sacked by now as well as facing corporate manslaughter charges. The current crop of Tories are the most corrupt and incompetent bunch of shysters we've ever had in government and it's a bloody disaster for the country that the 'opposition' is so equally incompetent that they can't manage to mount any kind of challenges to them.

I cannot wait until the entire shower of them are voted out.

Clavinova, yes it's interesting that Macron has working lunches with alcohol. But why is it relevant?

I am retired now and can well remember the time when we used to do the same. My firm even used to have a bar on the premises. But it all stopped around 2000 ish, and it became an offence to be drinking at work. It used to be the culture to go down the pub on a Friday afternoon and for certain people to come back absolutely bladdered - that also stopped when it became a disciplinary offence.

And you know as well as I do that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... They are lying about the meeting Johnson was seen at, as they are lying about this social meeting which has come to light - and Johnson hasn't got the guts to say that yes he was there, or no he wasn't.

YANBU at all. Self-serving former OW on the make. She could have been somebody and done it alone, but did herself and all of us a massive disservice by choosing the worst possible father for her kids at the worst possible time for the country and making his car-crash life even harder by filling it with nappies.

Why do intelligent women insist on fucking up their lives by marrying horrible men.

They'll be divorced in 5 years after he's kicked out of office and doesn't make anybody laugh any more. Will we then have to deal with her memoirs?

@Biffatcrafts
Great post on politicians.
If it's any consolation I live in Ireland and the same is true of many of our politicians ( except the lying to the Queen bit ).
We have only had an independent government for 100 years and the politicians of those early years must be spinning in their graves at how the politicians now and in the recent past have, sadly debased politics.,

She could have been somebody and done it alone, but did herself and all of us a massive disservice by choosing the worst possible father for her kids at the worst possible time for the country and making his car-crash life even harder by filling it with nappies.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

Dear God.

How did she do 'all of us' a massive disservice? Herself, sure - I mean what the hell she's doing with her life in terms of her choice of partner & co-parent is beyond me.

But what has this to do with 'all of us'? Because she married him & had children with him, she's responsible for him being an even worse PM, is your utterly batshit suggestion?

Women are not responsible for shit men & their shit actions.

@EarringsandLipstick

She could have been somebody and done it alone, but did herself and all of us a massive disservice by choosing the worst possible father for her kids at the worst possible time for the country and making his car-crash life even harder by filling it with nappies.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

Dear God.

How did she do 'all of us' a massive disservice? Herself, sure - I mean what the hell she's doing with her life in terms of her choice of partner & co-parent is beyond me.

But what has this to do with 'all of us'? Because she married him & had children with him, she's responsible for him being an even worse PM, is your utterly batshit suggestion?

Women are not responsible for shit men & their shit actions.

Agree. Why she chose Johnson us between her and her therapist.

She isn’t personally responsible for his incompetence. She had one vote at the last election, just like everyone else.

I never said she was responsible for Boris and his batshit!!

She either has no morals or no judgement or both. She knew his shocking track record with women. He was always going to be a crap husband and a useless PM.

Why marry someone like that unless you're after something?

I voted YABU as she has nothing to resign from (unless her work for the charity which has employed her is relevant here). She is not hired by the government, her husband is. But this doesn't mean I have a high opinion about about her at all (not that she cares, I bet ).

Boris Johnson, on the other hand, he is the one that needs to go. Even though I imagine that whoever replaces him is not going to be too different. They are all a bunch of self-serving Tories....

I agree @NiceShrubbery, I have zero idea why anyone would choose to take up with Johnson with his disgraceful track record of using and abusing his female partners. Plus he's no oil painting these days, although I do suspect he must have some charm in person ( because based on what we the public see and hear, no sensible person would go near him with a barge pole.)

So it's fair to deduce that her interest in the significantly older, overweight, father of many may have some political motivation.

So what though, Johnson is hardly a naive ingénue. If he was stupid enough to be swayed by an attractive younger woman enough to allow her to sway political influence, it's still on him. He's the one with the PM title.

Just to clarify: I am not interested in Carrie-bashing or even Boris-bashing. If their personal lives stay out of public affairs then as long it's legal, they can do whatever.

The Johnsons' problem is that they can't keep the two dimensions separate because Boris is completely irresponsible in every area of his life and lies all the time. So all we ever hear about is flat decorating, pole dancers and numbers of children.

What I hate is this sick British obsession with slebdom and personalities. If you want to be in government, be in government and do your job, which is about serving other people not yourself.

Peregrina
But it all stopped around 2000 ish, and it became an offence to be drinking at work

May 2021
Keir Starmer enjoys beer with Labour workers despite lockdown rules banning indoor social gatherings.

A Labour spokesman said: “Keir was in the workplace, meeting a local MP in her constituency office and participating in an online Labour Party event. They paused for dinner as the meeting was during the evening.”

www.thesun.co.uk/news/14826418/keir-starmer-beer-indoor-gathering/

@EarringsandLipstick

She could have been somebody and done it alone, but did herself and all of us a massive disservice by choosing the worst possible father for her kids at the worst possible time for the country and making his car-crash life even harder by filling it with nappies.

I can't believe I'm reading this.

Dear God.

How did she do 'all of us' a massive disservice? Herself, sure - I mean what the hell she's doing with her life in terms of her choice of partner & co-parent is beyond me.

But what has this to do with 'all of us'? Because she married him & had children with him, she's responsible for him being an even worse PM, is your utterly batshit suggestion?

Women are not responsible for shit men & their shit actions.

Mumsnet needs simple like and don't like icons. I really like this

that poor therapist will need a therapist who will need a therapist

[quote LadyEloise1]@Biffatcrafts
Great post on politicians.
If it's any consolation I live in Ireland and the same is true of many of our politicians ( except the lying to the Queen bit ).
We have only had an independent government for 100 years and the politicians of those early years must be spinning in their graves at how the politicians now and in the recent past have, sadly debased politics.,[/quote]
I'm Irish too. I don't think every Irish politician is amazing but by and large the current incumbents act with integrity & generally in the country's best interest & are nothing like the shower in the UK, it's simply incredible how Boris & pals laughed in the face of the British public.

@NiceShrubbery

I never said she was responsible for Boris and his batshit!!

She either has no morals or no judgement or both. She knew his shocking track record with women. He was always going to be a crap husband and a useless PM.

Why marry someone like that unless you're after something?

You said she did all of us a massive disservice.

You suggested her choice of husband & father of her children directly impacted his ability to govern.

Your posts are ludicrous.

@dottiedodah

She is a bit of a Trophy wife for sure . As far as pulling his strings its just a take on how they like to be perceived I think .Boris is a Career politician with a ruthless streak .I think that if he wants to have the last say he will.Its simply stirring by DC that has led everyone to feel shes a gold digger with her own agenda ,bossing staff around ,choosing expensive fittings for the flat and so on .How can you say you dont like her when you dont know her.You mean you dont like what you have read about her .Its not quite the same thing!

I don’t know Boris Johnson either but I don’t like him.