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To feel like I’ve screwed myself over contacting CMS?

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Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 14:35

Apologies if this is long.
Ex and I separated almost 7 years ago and have 3 DC (DTs aged 10 and DS almost 12).

I never thought he was a crap Dad until we split. We agreed on £300 a month CM, £100 per child per month just seemed fair. Shortly after the separation, however, he moved in with his GF and her DC and suddenly halved CM to £150 a month which was a massive shock. He said it was because he now had to support his DP’s children Hmm. She wasn’t the OW, they’d seriously only known each other for a month at this point. I wish I’d contacted CMS straight away but it was already a difficult period and I couldn’t be bothered with the hassle if truth be told so I just sucked it up.

He’s never been able to have DC overnight because they live in a tiny 2 bedroom house so no space for our DC to sleep. He used to see them for 6-7 hours every weekend, this has reduced further to EOW since covid. 12-14 hours a month, that’s it. Even when they do see him, he doesn’t do anything with them and they just sit in his house playing games, usually in a different room. They’ve never spent time alone with him because his DP and her DC are always there. Very sad situation and I don’t know how he can live with himself tbh but there you go. He barely feeds them when they’re there either so they always come home hungry. His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really…

He’s never bought any extras like shoes, clothes, uniform etc so CM is all I get. He paid £150 pm for around two years then increased it to £270 a month when he got a new job, it stayed at this amount from there on out.

As the DC have got older, costs have inevitably risen. Phone contracts for example, clothes and shoes are far more expensive because they’ve been in adult sized shoes for at least 3 years, they’re growing so obviously eat lots more food and DS’s uniform set me back £300 for secondary school which couldn’t be avoided because almost everything has to be purchased from the uniform shop. It will be £900 this year when DTs start, I can’t pass any of DS’s down because girls and boys have different uniform and PE kit. DS also needs a bus pass and dinner money now which is £100 a month (I can’t reduce this cost at all because I’m not entitled to FSM and the school is 3 miles away so not really walking distance especially in the cold and dark. I can drop him in the morning but I’m working in the afternoon so there’s no one to collect him). This will be £300 each month from September when DTs start. I’ve also shelled out £400 on DTs residential trip, I paid £200 for the same trip last year for DS.

I explained all of this to my ex quite a few times and asked if he could increase CM at all but he said he understood how expensive things were but wasn’t in a position to pay any more. The worst thing was the fact I never knew which date he’d pay CM so each month I’d have to ask for it which I think he enjoyed, like a power trip of sorts. He wouldn’t set a standing order up, I’d asked numerous times over the years so I was always left in a position not knowing when he’d actually bother sending it.

Last month was the final straw. He told me he could only pay half one week then half the next because he’d bought the DC’s Christmas presents so didn’t have enough. The worst thing was probably the fact that when it came to Christmas, he’d only spent £40 max per child. He also dropped them off earlier than usual on Boxing Day saying he wanted to avoid non existent traffic on the motorway and this was the only time he saw them over the Christmas period. It wasn’t the first time he’d done this to me, it happened probably 1- 2 times a year. It left me short just before Christmas when I had bills to pay and I was just fed up so finally contacted CMS.

I thought I was doing the right thing because I now wouldn’t be forced to ask and I’d have a set payment date. I actually feel like I’ve just screwed myself and in turn DC over because they have calculated he only has to pay £220 per month. This is based on his April 2020-April 21 tax return, he was furloughed for 5 months during this period so inevitably earned much less than usual. I did appeal their calculation but they told me he doesn’t earn 25% more now so the calculation still stands. My heart sank when I read the letter and I’m sure he’s over the moon about it. It’s £50 extra in his pocket each month but £50 less in mine and in turn, in the DC’s.

It’s just a kick in the teeth really. If he was a great Dad outside of this and was actually arsed about seeing them then it wouldn’t be as bad but he’s mega crap and now is allowed to be even more crap by paying less for them. I’m honestly so upset but there’s naff all I can do. I work really hard and have a graduate job so a fair bit over the threshold for any extra support like UC, FSM or help with school transport but it’s still a struggle each month. There’s very little else I can do except have a little cry and move forward. It’s so shit. I just wanted to rant and also ask if anyone else has found themselves in a similar situation after contacting CMS, I wish I’d never bothered.

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Ponoka7 · 11/01/2022 14:44

If you're over the threshold for any benefits then I'd say that losing£50 a month is worth it to not have to ask for the maintenance and him having that power. Don't make excuses to the children.

Santaisstilleatingmincepies · 11/01/2022 14:47

At least you can have minimum contact with him now. Your dc will grow up well aware who provided for them. And this will reflect on the relationships they have with you and their df.... You can accept no fault for them not seeing him much as adults...

Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 14:50

@Ponoka7

If you're over the threshold for any benefits then I'd say that losing£50 a month is worth it to not have to ask for the maintenance and him having that power. Don't make excuses to the children.
My salary, the maintenance he pays and CB somehow has to cover everything so I may be over the (fairly low) threshold for UC and other support but it doesn’t stretch very far at all. Not with them costing so much more as they’re growing up. I agree it will be nice not to have to ask him anymore though, I’m relieved about that.
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tinkerbellvspredator · 11/01/2022 14:53

I agree with above, silver lining, it's sorted and you don't need to chase and ask anymore.

On the school uniform costs, can you suggest the PTA set up a second hand uniform sale, parents donate old uniform and money goes to the school. If you volunteer to help with the sorting you should get first dibs. Or if you have a class WhatsApp or whatever ask if any parents of girls have old uniform they could pass on to you as you've got twins to kit out.

Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 14:57

I think I’m just angry he already does so little and now gets to pay less too, it’s a bit of a shit.

I will look into second hand uniform though, I didn’t even consider it so thank you for that suggestion. There may already be something set up on Facebook, I’ll have a hunt. I don’t know any parents at the school because none of his primary friends went there and I just drop him off in the car in the morning now so have very little input compared to primary.

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Soubriquet · 11/01/2022 14:59

It’s amazing how far men will go to avoid paying for their children

I’m sorry it’s been difficult but like a PP said, you don’t have to contact him every month begging for money like Oliver Twist.

RedCandyApple · 11/01/2022 14:59

I think that’s the risk you take if you go to cm, it’s not always going to be more I don’t know why people assume it will be. My ex only had to pay £7 per week for our 4 children 🤦‍♀️

tattychicken · 11/01/2022 15:00

Deffo look into the uniform. There may be a FB selling site local to your area that people use to sell uniforms. You can save a fortune, partic when you're dealing with logoed uniform and blazers etc.

BigYellowHat · 11/01/2022 15:01

Definitely sympathetic @Lentilweaving I had an ex who wouldn’t pay at all. However at least you’ll get the money on the same date every month (in theory) Hate peoples like this.

asnippersdream · 11/01/2022 15:02

@Soubriquet

It’s amazing how far men will go to avoid paying for their children

I’m sorry it’s been difficult but like a PP said, you don’t have to contact him every month begging for money like Oliver Twist.

This. My XDP loves the last bit of control he has with maintenance. I've let him get away with whatever he liked for two long and have just changed him to collect and pay. I'm going to get less too, BUT it's worth it because I don't have to give him the headspace anymore and worry about whether he will mess me about. I mean, he probably will still mess CMS about but at least I won't have to deal with it.
Danikm151 · 11/01/2022 15:04

With the new taper rate and work allowance for UC that came in last month, have you check if you're eligible now? Do a benefits calculator to see.

A lot more people have become eligible.
One good thing about going through CMS is that it's official and in writing, he can't pick and choose whether to pay.

FabriqueBelgique · 11/01/2022 15:05

That sucks. BUT the lower amount appearing regularly in your account will be better than a higher but sporadic paid amount. Now you can budget properly - that’s a win!

The bigger win is never having to ask him for money again - if he doesn’t pay, CMS will have it taken through his employer.

At some point the CMS will be reviewed. If he’s earning his usual higher amount or more, you’re Maintenence will adjust accordingly. Without you having to convince him.

The mental load this will take off you is huge! I think you should celebrate 🎉

twominutesmore · 11/01/2022 15:11

I think you've won. You've got a regular amount you can rely on and your kids will always know who looked after them and provided for them. He can't now decide to pay late, or pay half, or whatever.

And at least you are all living under the same roof, whereas he's living in an overcrowded house with no room for his own kids to stay overnight.

He might be laughing that the amount is less but keep your dignity and explain to everyone that this was about getting regular money without begging for it.

Chloemol · 11/01/2022 15:12

So take the money, then get a review next year when his salary is not furloughed and it should go back up

I would take the lower a,punt, but the kids are now of an age when they may not want to go, and I wouldn’t be making them

MorningStarling · 11/01/2022 15:14

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

CristinaYangismySpiritAnimal · 11/01/2022 15:14

I’m sorry he’s so shit, but I agree that the lower amount is worth it for not having to ask him any more. Scum bag. I’ve never received a penny from my ex, but he’s also not been involved for a very long time and that trade off is worth it to me. Although, god, any extra money would make my life so much easier. Hey ho.

Lindaloo08 · 11/01/2022 15:16

I'm so sorry for you OP, you sound like you're a great mam and your kids will always know that. Money times won't always be so hard and as pp have said he has no power and you have regular money. Hugs to you, he sounds like such a crap dad x

Crunchymum · 11/01/2022 15:17

When you can you next appeal (IE when the Furlough period is no longer taken into account and it will be based on his usual / higher earnings)

What a cunt of a man, sorry you are having to deal with this.

Lazylegend · 11/01/2022 15:20

I have 4 children with ex and he use to pay me £150 for all 4, which was fine. Then it increased to £250 for several years later, then he got new gf and it dropped to £150. Went through CSA as was so inconsistent with paying and now have 2 kids and get just under £600 as he took on so much overtime when covid started. He's now single again and struggling. He is a crap dad that has a relationship with just 1 of the 4 as he drops them when he gets into a new relationship. I'm now married and laughing all the way to the bank. Also my kids know what sacrifice i made and were all so close as it was me and them together.

VeganVampire · 11/01/2022 15:21

a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

So if it's beef stew for tea the vegetarian child gets nothing? Don't be so silly, the children need feeding appropriate food.

NotMyselfWithoutCoffee · 11/01/2022 15:22

I'd go No or low contact now, win win having regular payments and don't have to beg that scumbag for money.

twominutesmore · 11/01/2022 15:23

"It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available."

What on Earth...? So if a child is vegetarian, their parent shouldn't have to provide decent food if they themselves eat meat? The choices are 'eat meat' or 'eat this shit food'. Bloody hell some people have low standards.

Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 15:25

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

I just expect the NRP who barely sees his children to actually feed them a proper meal for the little time they are with him tbh. I don’t think 3 vegetables on a plate is adequate, I’m sure most people would agree with that. Yes, the DC choose not to eat meat but any loving parent would cater for this, it isn’t difficult or even expensive.
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NotMyselfWithoutCoffee · 11/01/2022 15:26

Also I get that it's a blow but I think in time you will see its worth it not to have the uncertainty.
I put my DC in nursery an extra day as even though my mum was looking after him for free, she drove me bonkers as she would always randomly cancel and feed him rubbish. Worth the extra 200 pound a month in my eyes but it did hurt a bit.

Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 15:28

The next review will be in December, they review it annually. I’m concerned he’ll never earn 25% more than the initial amount though because furlough was only 20% less iykwim so this may be the amount he pays until/unless he gets a pay rise. Will see what happens though.

Thank you for all of the positivity, I really appreciate it. I am glad I won’t have to speak to him much anymore and certainly glad I won’t have to put my Oliver Twist hand out once a month Grin. I’m looking into second hand uniform, it’s a great idea and I don’t know why I didn’t consider it before.

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