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To feel like I’ve screwed myself over contacting CMS?

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Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 14:35

Apologies if this is long.
Ex and I separated almost 7 years ago and have 3 DC (DTs aged 10 and DS almost 12).

I never thought he was a crap Dad until we split. We agreed on £300 a month CM, £100 per child per month just seemed fair. Shortly after the separation, however, he moved in with his GF and her DC and suddenly halved CM to £150 a month which was a massive shock. He said it was because he now had to support his DP’s children Hmm. She wasn’t the OW, they’d seriously only known each other for a month at this point. I wish I’d contacted CMS straight away but it was already a difficult period and I couldn’t be bothered with the hassle if truth be told so I just sucked it up.

He’s never been able to have DC overnight because they live in a tiny 2 bedroom house so no space for our DC to sleep. He used to see them for 6-7 hours every weekend, this has reduced further to EOW since covid. 12-14 hours a month, that’s it. Even when they do see him, he doesn’t do anything with them and they just sit in his house playing games, usually in a different room. They’ve never spent time alone with him because his DP and her DC are always there. Very sad situation and I don’t know how he can live with himself tbh but there you go. He barely feeds them when they’re there either so they always come home hungry. His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really…

He’s never bought any extras like shoes, clothes, uniform etc so CM is all I get. He paid £150 pm for around two years then increased it to £270 a month when he got a new job, it stayed at this amount from there on out.

As the DC have got older, costs have inevitably risen. Phone contracts for example, clothes and shoes are far more expensive because they’ve been in adult sized shoes for at least 3 years, they’re growing so obviously eat lots more food and DS’s uniform set me back £300 for secondary school which couldn’t be avoided because almost everything has to be purchased from the uniform shop. It will be £900 this year when DTs start, I can’t pass any of DS’s down because girls and boys have different uniform and PE kit. DS also needs a bus pass and dinner money now which is £100 a month (I can’t reduce this cost at all because I’m not entitled to FSM and the school is 3 miles away so not really walking distance especially in the cold and dark. I can drop him in the morning but I’m working in the afternoon so there’s no one to collect him). This will be £300 each month from September when DTs start. I’ve also shelled out £400 on DTs residential trip, I paid £200 for the same trip last year for DS.

I explained all of this to my ex quite a few times and asked if he could increase CM at all but he said he understood how expensive things were but wasn’t in a position to pay any more. The worst thing was the fact I never knew which date he’d pay CM so each month I’d have to ask for it which I think he enjoyed, like a power trip of sorts. He wouldn’t set a standing order up, I’d asked numerous times over the years so I was always left in a position not knowing when he’d actually bother sending it.

Last month was the final straw. He told me he could only pay half one week then half the next because he’d bought the DC’s Christmas presents so didn’t have enough. The worst thing was probably the fact that when it came to Christmas, he’d only spent £40 max per child. He also dropped them off earlier than usual on Boxing Day saying he wanted to avoid non existent traffic on the motorway and this was the only time he saw them over the Christmas period. It wasn’t the first time he’d done this to me, it happened probably 1- 2 times a year. It left me short just before Christmas when I had bills to pay and I was just fed up so finally contacted CMS.

I thought I was doing the right thing because I now wouldn’t be forced to ask and I’d have a set payment date. I actually feel like I’ve just screwed myself and in turn DC over because they have calculated he only has to pay £220 per month. This is based on his April 2020-April 21 tax return, he was furloughed for 5 months during this period so inevitably earned much less than usual. I did appeal their calculation but they told me he doesn’t earn 25% more now so the calculation still stands. My heart sank when I read the letter and I’m sure he’s over the moon about it. It’s £50 extra in his pocket each month but £50 less in mine and in turn, in the DC’s.

It’s just a kick in the teeth really. If he was a great Dad outside of this and was actually arsed about seeing them then it wouldn’t be as bad but he’s mega crap and now is allowed to be even more crap by paying less for them. I’m honestly so upset but there’s naff all I can do. I work really hard and have a graduate job so a fair bit over the threshold for any extra support like UC, FSM or help with school transport but it’s still a struggle each month. There’s very little else I can do except have a little cry and move forward. It’s so shit. I just wanted to rant and also ask if anyone else has found themselves in a similar situation after contacting CMS, I wish I’d never bothered.

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NameChangeCity123 · 11/01/2022 18:08

@RedCandyApple

I think that’s the risk you take if you go to cm, it’s not always going to be more I don’t know why people assume it will be. My ex only had to pay £7 per week for our 4 children 🤦‍♀️
How do people feel ok about doing that?! Beggars belief
Oddbobbyboo · 11/01/2022 18:31

Please don’t be sad, you’ve just clipped his wings and secured yourself 19% (3 childrens) of his income. Last financial year was rubbish for many people but every year the CMS will do an annual review and this will increase or decrease based on his earnings. When you think of the months he’s paid over the year - correct amount - his discount amount it’ll probably average the same. At least now you can rely on this money.
Most secondary schools have a bursary pot which isn’t just for the children on welfare. I’m in a similar situation to you and the school every year have given my three children a tie, shirt and jumper. They have had this twice now.

KiloWhat · 11/01/2022 18:31

@Hankunamatata

I also wouldn't hesitate to ask him to buy school shoes, blazer etc too
Agreed. Ask for half the cost each and every time.
Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 19:14

I have asked for extra towards uniform and also the expensive residential trips in the past but he refuses saying that’s what CM is for and he also asked me to find cheaper uniform. This obviously isn’t possible because almost everything has to be bought from the official uniform shop and I can’t alter their prices. The only things I can buy generically for secondary school are the trousers, black socks and shoes. Pointless skimping on shoes though, I buy a decent brand so they last longer. I will be looking at getting second hand blazers at least for all three of them in September and PE kits if I can find them too. I don’t want to ask him for money anymore really if I can avoid it, it’s mostly why I went to CMS in the first place.

I’ve decided to go a step further and claim through the tribunal. It’s free and the worst they can do is say no to an increase. If I get an increase in December after the annual review then great. I know he’s earned more than he did in 2020 and early 2021 because of furlough and he also didn’t work as many hours when he returned to work 2020 because they didn’t have as much need for him until the autumn.

Anyway thank you for all of your input, I fully appreciate it. I pay for a weekly bus pass for DS, it covers his school bus and then a second bus from the station to home every afternoon to answer that question. There’s no cheaper way to do this and the only other way I could save money is asking him to walk home which may be ok in the summer but doesn’t seem fair during the winter months when it’s cold and dark. It’s 3 miles so a hefty walk.

Have you checked that your ex isn’t claiming that the DC are having overnights to reduce his payments?

I don’t think he’d be able to do this? I put the claim in and told CMS they never sleep over. I’m sure they’d have contacted me if he’d disputed this, I’d hope so anyway.

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Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 19:20

I don’t think I should have to provide the vegetarian option because as has been pointed out, veggie sausages are £1 or he could just get a bit more creative and care about his DC for once Sad.

I don’t have a clue what he earns, never have done. I guessed what he earned based on the job he does and hours he claims to work and it was significantly more than CMS’ calculation but as I say, furlough massively affected this.

I’m so sorry to hear so many other women have to deal with this. The system is definitely very broken and, as usual, works in men’s favour.

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KiloWhat · 11/01/2022 19:22

I don’t think I should have to provide the vegetarian option because as has been pointed out, veggie sausages are £1 or he could just get a bit more creative and care about his DC for once
I totally agree you shouldn't have to but he is clearly shit.

MissMaple82 · 11/01/2022 19:29

Like you said, there's nothing you can do about it, you just need to move on. At least you're guaranteed that money now without having to ask. That in itself is work 50 quid

LuaDipa · 11/01/2022 19:39

@FoxgloveSummers

I would love to know, is the "affordability" factor for mainly male NRP designed to leave them with as little to live on as resident parents on benefits? Because it seems utterly bonkers that you can have two parents and say to one - you only need to pay £7 to keep these kids alive - and to the other one: good luck paying for everything else.
Absolutely. The amount these men get away with contributing is a national disgrace.
SituationCritical · 11/01/2022 19:48

Could cycling to school be an option for the lighter Spring/Summer months? 3 miles is nothing on a bike on a nice day and would save you the summer fare at least. I understand some routes are crap for cycling so not always an option obviously. It is a bloody disgrace what this shit bags parents get away with Angry. His loss, like you say the kids won't be arsed about seeing him soon. I really hope you are successful with the tribunal.

Soopermum1 · 11/01/2022 20:28

The CMS is firmly weighted for the NRP. Twice I have asked for Collect and Go, as ex pays less than stated, and late. Twice, after several weeks, the CMS have called him, he's paid it and they've cancelled the Collect and Go. I've got a complaint in with them, lodged on 24/11, no response. My MP is on it as, but no response.

He refused to pay when DS dropped out of college for mental health issues, in the middle of a pandemic. Again, CMS allowed that to happen.

He's even allowed to pay his arrears off at £30 a month, even though he has £10k + in the bank.

And I have no words for your ex 😡

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