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To feel like I’ve screwed myself over contacting CMS?

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Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 14:35

Apologies if this is long.
Ex and I separated almost 7 years ago and have 3 DC (DTs aged 10 and DS almost 12).

I never thought he was a crap Dad until we split. We agreed on £300 a month CM, £100 per child per month just seemed fair. Shortly after the separation, however, he moved in with his GF and her DC and suddenly halved CM to £150 a month which was a massive shock. He said it was because he now had to support his DP’s children Hmm. She wasn’t the OW, they’d seriously only known each other for a month at this point. I wish I’d contacted CMS straight away but it was already a difficult period and I couldn’t be bothered with the hassle if truth be told so I just sucked it up.

He’s never been able to have DC overnight because they live in a tiny 2 bedroom house so no space for our DC to sleep. He used to see them for 6-7 hours every weekend, this has reduced further to EOW since covid. 12-14 hours a month, that’s it. Even when they do see him, he doesn’t do anything with them and they just sit in his house playing games, usually in a different room. They’ve never spent time alone with him because his DP and her DC are always there. Very sad situation and I don’t know how he can live with himself tbh but there you go. He barely feeds them when they’re there either so they always come home hungry. His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really…

He’s never bought any extras like shoes, clothes, uniform etc so CM is all I get. He paid £150 pm for around two years then increased it to £270 a month when he got a new job, it stayed at this amount from there on out.

As the DC have got older, costs have inevitably risen. Phone contracts for example, clothes and shoes are far more expensive because they’ve been in adult sized shoes for at least 3 years, they’re growing so obviously eat lots more food and DS’s uniform set me back £300 for secondary school which couldn’t be avoided because almost everything has to be purchased from the uniform shop. It will be £900 this year when DTs start, I can’t pass any of DS’s down because girls and boys have different uniform and PE kit. DS also needs a bus pass and dinner money now which is £100 a month (I can’t reduce this cost at all because I’m not entitled to FSM and the school is 3 miles away so not really walking distance especially in the cold and dark. I can drop him in the morning but I’m working in the afternoon so there’s no one to collect him). This will be £300 each month from September when DTs start. I’ve also shelled out £400 on DTs residential trip, I paid £200 for the same trip last year for DS.

I explained all of this to my ex quite a few times and asked if he could increase CM at all but he said he understood how expensive things were but wasn’t in a position to pay any more. The worst thing was the fact I never knew which date he’d pay CM so each month I’d have to ask for it which I think he enjoyed, like a power trip of sorts. He wouldn’t set a standing order up, I’d asked numerous times over the years so I was always left in a position not knowing when he’d actually bother sending it.

Last month was the final straw. He told me he could only pay half one week then half the next because he’d bought the DC’s Christmas presents so didn’t have enough. The worst thing was probably the fact that when it came to Christmas, he’d only spent £40 max per child. He also dropped them off earlier than usual on Boxing Day saying he wanted to avoid non existent traffic on the motorway and this was the only time he saw them over the Christmas period. It wasn’t the first time he’d done this to me, it happened probably 1- 2 times a year. It left me short just before Christmas when I had bills to pay and I was just fed up so finally contacted CMS.

I thought I was doing the right thing because I now wouldn’t be forced to ask and I’d have a set payment date. I actually feel like I’ve just screwed myself and in turn DC over because they have calculated he only has to pay £220 per month. This is based on his April 2020-April 21 tax return, he was furloughed for 5 months during this period so inevitably earned much less than usual. I did appeal their calculation but they told me he doesn’t earn 25% more now so the calculation still stands. My heart sank when I read the letter and I’m sure he’s over the moon about it. It’s £50 extra in his pocket each month but £50 less in mine and in turn, in the DC’s.

It’s just a kick in the teeth really. If he was a great Dad outside of this and was actually arsed about seeing them then it wouldn’t be as bad but he’s mega crap and now is allowed to be even more crap by paying less for them. I’m honestly so upset but there’s naff all I can do. I work really hard and have a graduate job so a fair bit over the threshold for any extra support like UC, FSM or help with school transport but it’s still a struggle each month. There’s very little else I can do except have a little cry and move forward. It’s so shit. I just wanted to rant and also ask if anyone else has found themselves in a similar situation after contacting CMS, I wish I’d never bothered.

OP posts:
unim · 11/01/2022 16:33

That's shocking that they won't reassess unless his salary goes up by 25%! Don't they think the parent who actually takes primary care of the children also deserves an equal share of any new income under that?!!

What a shoddy and unfair system.

suzy2b · 11/01/2022 16:35

The school my granddaughter goes to has a page for uniform I think its set up by one of the parents it had lots of things on it but mainly uniform
bought a school skirt for £10 as appose to new £42, although now wears trousers which can be any black trousers, not skinny which we buy from matlan I'm sure your school will have something similar

PicaK · 11/01/2022 16:41

Def check your UC claim possibility because CMS is NOT income. It has no bearing on your UC.

BlondeDogLady · 11/01/2022 16:43

CMS are rubbish. My Ex managed to convince them he earned £34,000, when in fact he earned £134,000. They just said that the onus was on me to prove otherwise. How the fuck I was meant to do that, I don't know, and when I asked how, they didn't know either. That same year he missed a few payments, CMS did a review and sought his salary from HMRC, which indeed showed he earned £134,000, so for a while the payments went up. But then the next year he told them he earned £64,000 in the same role and they believed him. How about some fucking common sense?! I did refer my case to the Ombudsman but they held in his favour, so he ended up owing me £13,000 all told. He is a Director in a huge Bank, who could have afforded so much more, but apparently he didn't want to fund my lifestyle, whatever the fuck that means, given that I was working for £1200pm, and providing for the children, not a lady that lunches. I could still punch him in the face now, and the kids are grown up!

And breathe.....

(try the Ombudsman?)

HoseMeDownWithHolyWater · 11/01/2022 16:45

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

You are talking absolute bollocks and I'm sincerely glad you're not my parent.
Dixiechickonhols · 11/01/2022 16:53

Another reason to have maintenance through cms if they don’t see him in a couple of years through free choice he can’t withhold money to try and force them.
Is there a cheaper public bus? Our school bus is extortionate and it’s pay full or free on fsm no inbetween. It would be cheaper for DD on public bus. If the 3 are travelling together it could be a decent saving.
I’d ask him for contribution to uniform, shoes etc - if he has brass neck to say that’s what maintenance is for say no the uniform is more than that plus they don’t live in fresh air.
Another positive is you are well rid of him!
It might be worth speaking to school if you are low income but not fsm especially with twins there may be some flexibility especially with trips etc.

caringcarer · 11/01/2022 16:58

That is really tough on you OP. O would wait until after April and ask for a review. It always seems mad to me that an absent parent pays towards new partners children at expense of his own DC. Surely the partners DC have their own Dad to pay for them. Definitely try the UC after April 6th. I am sure I read it was going up in April. You might get something from there. Could you look for bundles of uniform on local FB pages?

Beautiful3 · 11/01/2022 16:59

I think this way is better. You no longer have to ask him for the money. Get it reviewed in a years time, when he's submitted his earnings for the new tax year. Hopefully it will increase your payments. Honestly, if the kids said they didn't want to see him, I'd be inclined to say they didn't want to see him.

caringcarer · 11/01/2022 17:01

Definitely don't make kids visit him. If he wants to see them he should take them out sometimes. To buy a winter coat or new pair of school shoes for instance.

Hmum0fthree · 11/01/2022 17:07

Its ridiculous that we live in a world that men can walk away from their children and pay the bare minimum, also the fact that the government set an amount we can live on that is just stupid so single mothers can't get help Hmm

FoxgloveSummers · 11/01/2022 17:07

I wonder if there is any carpooling? There might be a WFH parent at your kids' school who would be happy to drop your three home in return for you dropping them all in the morning (and some petrol money maybe as you have lots of kids).

LovedayCL · 11/01/2022 17:08

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

That’s completely bizarre. It’s not a random person on the street, they’re his children. And being vegetarian is hardly a niche requirement. They need vegetarian protein with their meal and it’s hardly difficult to provide. And if it was difficult, he should still do it.
FoxgloveSummers · 11/01/2022 17:09

I would love to know, is the "affordability" factor for mainly male NRP designed to leave them with as little to live on as resident parents on benefits? Because it seems utterly bonkers that you can have two parents and say to one - you only need to pay £7 to keep these kids alive - and to the other one: good luck paying for everything else.

Lovelymincepies · 11/01/2022 17:12

I had this and appealed about the 25% crap. My money got bumped up after writing down the figures and how much he should be paying and asking them to explain why his full wages were not being taken into account x

Lovemusic33 · 11/01/2022 17:16

So you know roughly what he earns? You can work out what he should be paying and then tell him “if you don’t pay xxx amount I will go to CMS”. My DC’s father is the same, never has them over night, just takes them to McDonald’s once a week. He was paying me £150 a month but I managed to get him to up it by telling him the amount he should be paying. He’s still paying way under what he should but I just don’t have the energy to do anything about it and on of my dc turns 18 in a few weeks so he will likely try and half the money.

Dixiechickonhols · 11/01/2022 17:21

I wonder if contacting MP would force a review you can’t be only parent in position of being worse off due to him being on furlough.
It’s neglect pure and simple. He’s paying £73 a month towards a tween’s food, clothes, housing, equipment and school transport. It’s a drop in ocean. If OP didn’t feed her child or send him to school as she couldn’t pay for bus it wouldn’t be acceptable - social services etc would be involved why is it acceptable for a Dad to pay a sum so paltry it can’t possibly care for the child and get off scott free.

LovedayCL · 11/01/2022 17:25

@FoxgloveSummers

I would love to know, is the "affordability" factor for mainly male NRP designed to leave them with as little to live on as resident parents on benefits? Because it seems utterly bonkers that you can have two parents and say to one - you only need to pay £7 to keep these kids alive - and to the other one: good luck paying for everything else.
Yes, good point.
NickiMinajerie · 11/01/2022 17:26

Gutted for you OP. Plus, whoever said the kids needed to suck up just eating veg only...It cost 1.25 for some vegetarian sausages today.
It's Veganuary - loads of cheap veggie options about. I have a DD who is the only vegetarian - it doesn't take a lot to cater for her. If the boot was on the other foot, I wouldn't expect a non-resident parent to cook meat but I would expect them to serve more than plated veggies or to find a suitable alternative e.g. jacket with beans and cheese.
Their Dad clearly doesn't give a fuck.

KiloWhat · 11/01/2022 17:26

For the food - can you send them with veggie burgers etc they can cook themselves? You really shouldn't have to but it would stop them going hungry.

CornishTiger · 11/01/2022 17:29

Hi have u claimed UC recently? The work allowances and earnings taper have changed quite significantly. You may now be entitled

Faevern · 11/01/2022 17:32

As others have said check your UC, the work allowance has gone up and child maintenance doesn't count as income, only your earnings.

Pumpkinstace · 11/01/2022 17:37

@Soubriquet

It’s amazing how far men will go to avoid paying for their children

I’m sorry it’s been difficult but like a PP said, you don’t have to contact him every month begging for money like Oliver Twist.

This is true.

My exH have up work and moved back in with his mum.

He is willing to live like that so 'that bitch doesn't get a penny more from me'.

Muthalucka · 11/01/2022 17:37

Ah I’m so sorry he’s runbish

Dixiechickonhols · 11/01/2022 17:57

I assume not providing food thing is a dig at OP assuming she is veggie and kids are too. But at their ages it’s their choice. Providing a meal for your child they can eat is basic. They’ll soon vote with their feet.
I wonder what his reaction would be if eldest opened his bag and popped 2 cooked Linda McCartney sausages on their 3 plates when tea was served.

Stath · 11/01/2022 18:00

…as an aside, child maintenance isn’t counted as income when calculating for UC etc. It used to be when claiming benefits but not anymore (due to the fact that NRPs could stop paying at any time).

Have you checked that your ex isn’t claiming that the DC are having overnights to reduce his payments?

I’d highly recommend having a play around on benefit calculators (Entitled To and Turn 2 Us are good). They have a facility to search for grants which you might be entitled to as well. They have databases of sometimes random ones eg ‘The Ladies Society of Clogmakers in Market Towns Who’s Middle Names Contain Three Vowels’ Grin
A lot of the grants are for working families too.

Good luck @Lentilweaving. The kids will grow up knowing how hard you’ve worked for them and, conversely, what an absolute arsehole their father is.

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