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To feel like I’ve screwed myself over contacting CMS?

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Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 14:35

Apologies if this is long.
Ex and I separated almost 7 years ago and have 3 DC (DTs aged 10 and DS almost 12).

I never thought he was a crap Dad until we split. We agreed on £300 a month CM, £100 per child per month just seemed fair. Shortly after the separation, however, he moved in with his GF and her DC and suddenly halved CM to £150 a month which was a massive shock. He said it was because he now had to support his DP’s children Hmm. She wasn’t the OW, they’d seriously only known each other for a month at this point. I wish I’d contacted CMS straight away but it was already a difficult period and I couldn’t be bothered with the hassle if truth be told so I just sucked it up.

He’s never been able to have DC overnight because they live in a tiny 2 bedroom house so no space for our DC to sleep. He used to see them for 6-7 hours every weekend, this has reduced further to EOW since covid. 12-14 hours a month, that’s it. Even when they do see him, he doesn’t do anything with them and they just sit in his house playing games, usually in a different room. They’ve never spent time alone with him because his DP and her DC are always there. Very sad situation and I don’t know how he can live with himself tbh but there you go. He barely feeds them when they’re there either so they always come home hungry. His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really…

He’s never bought any extras like shoes, clothes, uniform etc so CM is all I get. He paid £150 pm for around two years then increased it to £270 a month when he got a new job, it stayed at this amount from there on out.

As the DC have got older, costs have inevitably risen. Phone contracts for example, clothes and shoes are far more expensive because they’ve been in adult sized shoes for at least 3 years, they’re growing so obviously eat lots more food and DS’s uniform set me back £300 for secondary school which couldn’t be avoided because almost everything has to be purchased from the uniform shop. It will be £900 this year when DTs start, I can’t pass any of DS’s down because girls and boys have different uniform and PE kit. DS also needs a bus pass and dinner money now which is £100 a month (I can’t reduce this cost at all because I’m not entitled to FSM and the school is 3 miles away so not really walking distance especially in the cold and dark. I can drop him in the morning but I’m working in the afternoon so there’s no one to collect him). This will be £300 each month from September when DTs start. I’ve also shelled out £400 on DTs residential trip, I paid £200 for the same trip last year for DS.

I explained all of this to my ex quite a few times and asked if he could increase CM at all but he said he understood how expensive things were but wasn’t in a position to pay any more. The worst thing was the fact I never knew which date he’d pay CM so each month I’d have to ask for it which I think he enjoyed, like a power trip of sorts. He wouldn’t set a standing order up, I’d asked numerous times over the years so I was always left in a position not knowing when he’d actually bother sending it.

Last month was the final straw. He told me he could only pay half one week then half the next because he’d bought the DC’s Christmas presents so didn’t have enough. The worst thing was probably the fact that when it came to Christmas, he’d only spent £40 max per child. He also dropped them off earlier than usual on Boxing Day saying he wanted to avoid non existent traffic on the motorway and this was the only time he saw them over the Christmas period. It wasn’t the first time he’d done this to me, it happened probably 1- 2 times a year. It left me short just before Christmas when I had bills to pay and I was just fed up so finally contacted CMS.

I thought I was doing the right thing because I now wouldn’t be forced to ask and I’d have a set payment date. I actually feel like I’ve just screwed myself and in turn DC over because they have calculated he only has to pay £220 per month. This is based on his April 2020-April 21 tax return, he was furloughed for 5 months during this period so inevitably earned much less than usual. I did appeal their calculation but they told me he doesn’t earn 25% more now so the calculation still stands. My heart sank when I read the letter and I’m sure he’s over the moon about it. It’s £50 extra in his pocket each month but £50 less in mine and in turn, in the DC’s.

It’s just a kick in the teeth really. If he was a great Dad outside of this and was actually arsed about seeing them then it wouldn’t be as bad but he’s mega crap and now is allowed to be even more crap by paying less for them. I’m honestly so upset but there’s naff all I can do. I work really hard and have a graduate job so a fair bit over the threshold for any extra support like UC, FSM or help with school transport but it’s still a struggle each month. There’s very little else I can do except have a little cry and move forward. It’s so shit. I just wanted to rant and also ask if anyone else has found themselves in a similar situation after contacting CMS, I wish I’d never bothered.

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HyacynthBucket · 11/01/2022 15:28

Hey, OP its good that you have got the amount set up and coming in regularly with distance between you and not having to ask. Can you appeal again, say after this April, if you think his income has gone up in the past year? There are so many crap dads who don't support their children. I wonder how they justify to themselves. Hope you can get more out of this miserable tightwad soon, OP.

Glitterygreen · 11/01/2022 15:30

a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

What a weird attitude. I am vegetarian and if I am ever at somebody's house for dinner they don't serve me cabbage, carrots and mash?!

He doesn't even need to buy 'alternatives', he could do meals that are vegetarian by default so he can still eat them himself with other stuff - jacket potato with cheese and beans, pasta with sauce, omelette, egg on toast, pizza?! Loads of options.

Soubriquet · 11/01/2022 15:32

a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

Hmm

If he, as a parent, loves his children, he would provide food his kids could eat. There are so many vegetarian foods that doesn’t include boiled cabbage.

Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 15:34

Exactly @Glitterygreen. I can’t imagine plating up cabbage, carrots and mash for them, they’d look at me like ‘where’s the rest?!’ but they’re scared to challenge him so just eat it knowing I’ll feed them again when they get home. It isn’t hard to cater for a vegetarian diet and I’m sure any normal parent wouldn’t mind doing this for their DC.

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WeeFae · 11/01/2022 15:39

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

You have a very weird attitude Hmm
Itsalmostanaccessory · 11/01/2022 15:41

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

This is one of the most batshit comments I have read on here. I cant even deal with writing a reply because someone who could actually think that a parent does not need to provide a proper meal for his vegetarian children is not a person I think I can reason with.
bcc89 · 11/01/2022 15:43

Just ignoring the meat/veggie/ration comments Hmm and confusing on the CMS issue
You can actually contact CMS and get them to take the payment directly from his wage, so you never have to chase a penny again.

ivegotthisyeah · 11/01/2022 15:49

How frustrating for you money wise and the fact he never even has them over night. The CMS will get assessed again so it may go back up do you know what his normal salary is? Could work out for your self what you are entitled to on 0 overnights but take the other kids into account his gfs x

Pugroll · 11/01/2022 15:54

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

God forbid a father should get stuff in for veggie meals, how low is your bar? If his children are vegetarian then of course he shouldn't force them to eat meat, or offer them bland vegetables because he's lazy and probably pretty feckless.
carolsforxmas · 11/01/2022 15:56

I have an ex like that. When you reach your renewal date it will pick up his actual earnings and should go up. Meanwhile keep an eye on local selling groups on Facebook for uniform or ask the school if they have a second hand shop. Check whether any of the uniform is significantly different to prevent handing it down, my DD wears a boys polo shirt as the difference was tiny. Look at sports direct for school shoes, cheaper than other places but hardwearing.

Also, double check your UC entitlement again as it may have changed. It is hard and frustrating when any increase in costs has to be absorbed by you as their contribution is fixed based on income, not outgoings. The bonus though, and it's a big one, is that you don't have to live with him any more Smile

Boombastic22 · 11/01/2022 16:02

There are some weird posters on here OP.

He sounds awful and I am sorry for your kids and for you. I cannot work out how people like this live with themselves. It’s not about the money only it’s the being happy to hardly spend time with your kids. Sounds like you are doing a great job.

SailingNotSurfing · 11/01/2022 16:03

Your ex sounds like a piece of work and I hope his new partner loves him enough to overlook is very obvious faults!

The steps you've taken to ensure you get regular monthly money will eventually pay off. As for the school uniform dilemma, you won't be the only parent struggling to clothes your children. As pp have suggested, Facebook or WhatsApp school groups will help.

Good luck and stay strong.Flowers

Winniemarysarah · 11/01/2022 16:05

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

Oh get a grip. I buy and make all kinds of food for my dc because I’m not a lazy, inconsiderate twat. I made lamb biryani last night and did two pots so me and dh could have it spicier than the dc would like. I’m doing prawn and courgette linguine tonight for 4 out of the 5 of us, one of my dc hates prawns though so I’ll take a portion out and stick either chicken or bacon in hers. Why on earth can’t the op’s ex stretch to a box of fish fingers or a pack of sausages instead of forcing their dc to eat cabbage and mash every night? You know we’re not rationing right now, right?
Santaisstilleatingmincepies · 11/01/2022 16:06

The nrp should indeed go out of their eat to feed their own friggin dc an appropriate meal!!
My exh refused the dc to ever eat Sunday lunch with me.
His Sunday lunch was a plate in the middle of his table with chicken legs on it.

Dixiechickonhols · 11/01/2022 16:07

I can fully understand why you feel like this but definitely focus on positives - set amount, set day. He might have won a little battle but you have won war. If he dares gloat re £50 saving I’d be very clear it’s money he’s keeping from your dc.
I wouldn’t put yourself out in anyway shape or form for him. Don’t be accommodating re early drop offs etc.
They are of an age where I wouldn’t hide anything they should know he pays pittance. I imagine in a couple of years contact will dwindle off when Saturday jobs, hobbies etc get in way. What teen wants to sit hungry in a house being ignored.

SituationCritical · 11/01/2022 16:08

@Lentilweaving

Exactly *@Glitterygreen*. I can’t imagine plating up cabbage, carrots and mash for them, they’d look at me like ‘where’s the rest?!’ but they’re scared to challenge him so just eat it knowing I’ll feed them again when they get home. It isn’t hard to cater for a vegetarian diet and I’m sure any normal parent wouldn’t mind doing this for their DC.
It isn't hard at all and he also only has to do it every other bloody weekend so no excuses. He seriously can't cook a couple of vegetarian meals on the odd occasion he actually looks after his own children Hmm. He sounds absolutely useless OP and I really feel for your kids. Thankfully they have a great parent in you. I hope he gets reassessed in the future when he hasn't been furloughed and the payments increase. There's some great tips on this thread regards uniform and saving money so fingers crossed you can cut some costs. I know my DS school has a massive store of second hand uniform and shoes and it's been a lifesaver for some parents.
KiloWhat · 11/01/2022 16:10

Tbh it sounds like if you'd left it you couldn't have guaranteed when/if you'll get it so this way sounds a little more secure.

He's an idiot though.

Dixiechickonhols · 11/01/2022 16:10

If also say with uniform don’t overbuy stuff - jumper and tracksuit bottoms my dd has never worn £60 spent and wasted. They are on list but jumper not worn by anyone at school and only girls who cover for religious reasons wear the tracksuit bottoms.

Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 16:22

I imagine in a couple of years contact will dwindle off when Saturday jobs, hobbies etc get in way. What teen wants to sit hungry in a house being ignored.

I thought this too. He lives 30 miles away so it’s a 60 mile round trip and they can’t really be bothered with that aspect of it. They’re glad it’s only every other week now. I think once they start going out with friends at the weekend they won’t be arsed making that trip anymore. It’s a bit pointless when all they do is play games there anyway and they don’t even really get fed. They’ve never really taken to his DP much either, she’s very different personality wise to me and to DC so they struggle to find common ground.

I’ll check entitled to again but last time I had a look, I was only eligible for CB which I get. Thank you all for the help and positivity, I appreciate it.

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Lentilweaving · 11/01/2022 16:24

@Dixiechickonhols

If also say with uniform don’t overbuy stuff - jumper and tracksuit bottoms my dd has never worn £60 spent and wasted. They are on list but jumper not worn by anyone at school and only girls who cover for religious reasons wear the tracksuit bottoms.
I only bought the things they made clear weren’t optional. The PE kit is crazily priced, the £30 rugby shirt made me want to throw up! It’s compulsory though so I had to front the cost. I didn’t get DS the optional jumper, he said nobody wears them anyway.
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CiaoForDiNiaoSaur · 11/01/2022 16:26

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

Oh give over. Does that apply to any visiting vegetarian or just dc?

My ex is the same. Refused to provide suitable food for pescetarian DC. To the extent he gets given bread and butter for lunch because "we have ham sandwiches on Saturday and we treat everyone the same" ffs.

And for the PP who said Dad could buy a box of fish fingers... vegetarians don't eat fish fingers!

TheSnowyOwl · 11/01/2022 16:27

I’d say to accept it and ask for a review in a few months and the likelihood is that the increase then or over the next few years will mean you are still better off.

Russelhobskettle · 11/01/2022 16:29

@MorningStarling

You took a chance by contacting CMS and it's backfired on you, that's the risk I'm afraid, sometimes it's best to stick with what you've got rather than push for more. At least it's formalised now so you should receive the correct amount on a regular basis, even if it's less than he was voluntarily paying beforehand.

I was a bit Hmm about your comment that "His favourite meal seems to be carrots, cabbage and mash (they don’t eat meat and he refuses to buy an alternative so that’s all they get). DS has said it’s like WW2 rationing and he isn’t wrong really." Is there a medical reason they can't eat meat or is it just preference? If it's just preference then your DS only has himself to blame really. In WW2 it was meat that was most rationed, it wasn't a voluntary choice to refuse it that led to vegetables being used as a substitute. Would you expect a vegan NRP to provide meat for their visiting children or just give them vegan food? It's the same situation really, a meat eating NRP shouldn't have to go out of their way to get vegetarian food when there's meat available.

You've got to be bloody joking.
Hankunamatata · 11/01/2022 16:30

Def check with school about pre loved uniform, local charities and even like of facebook market place/gumtree

Hankunamatata · 11/01/2022 16:32

I also wouldn't hesitate to ask him to buy school shoes, blazer etc too

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