To pick a pub with a log burner for a family meal?

[hippohippohippo]

It's my DH's birthday and I've booked a table at a pub for us and SIL and family. We have a 6 month old and they have a 5 month old. SIL says they are free but not coming, as the pub has a logburner and it's winter and might be on. It hadn't occurred to me that this was a problem and am fine taking my DS (and have regularly been to pubs with a logburner). She insists we look for somewhere that doesn't have a fire if we want them there. Is she being unreasonable or am I?

Nobody is talking about carbon footprints Holeyscarf. This is about indoor air pollution.

@FourTeaFallOut

Nobody is talking about carbon footprints Holeyscarf. This is about indoor air pollution.

No, over the previous nine pages, people have definitely discussed carbon footprints. Having another human is terrible for the environment- and ultimately air pollution.

Yep. It’s the latest environmental health scare. I’m not saying it’s not true cos it is, but really the air quality in most conurbations is crap anywhere..but babies as we all know are especially vulnerable.
Perhaps an air filtering baby mask? Seriously just find another venue. Or ask her for a suggestion xxx

I’m asthmatic, If I go to a pub or house with a log burner, I feel my lungs start to close up and I feel breathless. They send tiny particles into the air that irritate everybody’s lungs.
They look lovely but I hate them.

….. and yes too many candles in a room have the same effect on my lungs as well x

Wouldn't bother me but I wouldn't sit near it.

Perhaps request to not sit near it? If it's asthma or similar then I sort of understand but otherwise she needs to get over it?

Although I've read some articles citing issues about breathing smoke, I still think that if it were any real dangers, the entire race would have died out millennia ago! She's a bit bonkers, isn't she?

So everyone pointing out log fires/burners are bad for babies health obviously walk everywhere and never fly anywhere! Society needs to toughen up a bit, your grandparents and great grandparents would have all had some kind of coal or wood fire to heat the room and I bet most of those lived a long life. The report said they tested 16 households so not a really broad spectrum.

Uninvite her... snowflake problem solved.

@JabNotInArm

Log burners are bloody horrible things - worse for air quality than Diesel engines.

Doubt it'll be long until they're banned.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/18/wood-burners-triple-harmful-indoor-air-pollution-study-finds

Jabnotinarm... what a load of rubbish!! Firstly log burners of the newer variety are fantastic... I absolutely love mine. Secondly, did you actually read the article??? It says quite clearly that they are not planning any ban!!! My grandparents and parents both had open coal fires and there was far more indoor air pollution from them than from any log burner!!

Regardless of all of the facts and evidence, you are dealing with how someone feels. If your DH would be happy to go elsewhere to accommodate his sister, and it takes you 10 minutes to rearrange, then why not do it ? If he is not, or you are not (both completely valid btw) then don't, and on this occasion you will have to celebrate without them. You are not being unreasonable to ask the question, but they have given their reasons, and they will stick by them. Even if it is overkill, setting a precedent, pandering, PFB, wrecking your plans etc. weigh up whether, on this occasion you and your DH would be prepared to compromise. Hope this helps, and enjoy your night whatever you end up with xx

To be fair we are all exposed to untold pollution every single time we step out of the front door and often even before that! One meal in a pub with a wood burner is not going to kill anyone. Go without them.

We'll all worry ourselves to death eventually - or rather, the media will.

Is she boycotting the pub for ethical reasons or is she afraid her baby will be harmed by the noxious emissions from the log burner?

Can you book a table that is far away from the log burner?

Does she take kids into town? Pollution from buses... She needs to get a grip and get over herself. No pollution, live in a bubble!!

During those four hours, average particle levels rose to between 27 and 195 micrograms per cubic metre of air. The World Health Organization limit is 25μg/m3 over 24 hours. “Epidemiologists are increasingly recognising that exposure to high intensities of [small particles] over much shorter periods of time – hours rather than days – is linked to a range of health issues,” the researchers

@Susysue10 did you read the article? The scientists want wood burners to come with a health warning, children and elderly more susceptible

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.... I'd better move out of my house as I have a coal fire and it's on because it's winter and I need heat in my house.

Lune!

LifeIsBusy

You ever heard of Roy Castle? He died from passive smoking, it’s was years and many arguments before smoking was banned in pubs and public spaces

@LifeIsBusy

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.... I'd better move out of my house as I have a coal fire and it's on because it's winter and I need heat in my house.

Lune!

I'd consider it tbh. And at the least make sure it's inspected annually.

I'd consider it tbh. And at the least make sure it's inspected annually.

I think there must be some truth in fires and log burners pumping out particulates and bad molecules. I say this because for the last two years I have seen our local chimney sweep going into and out of people's houses wearing a face mask.

Tsk...one rule for them chimney sweeps and another rule for us.

@ivykaty44

LifeIsBusy

You ever heard of Roy Castle? He died from passive smoking, it’s was years and many arguments before smoking was banned in pubs and public spaces

Roy Castle spent most of his adult life inside pubs and clubs, where the fug of fag smoke was so bad you could barely see.

Hardly comparable to a few hours in a pub with a log burner!

@SirVixofVixHall

Log burners are really bad for lungs, the fine particles they produce get deep within lungs and cause respiratory disease and lung cancer. They are bad for babies in the same way someone smoking at the table would be bad for a baby. They are cosy and comforting, I love radiant heat from fires, but they are a very big issue in terms of what they do to lungs.

This. Your sister is being completely reasonable.

@hippohippohippo

Genuine question, not a jibe! I.e. are burning matches/ candles the same issue? I wasn't particularly aware of it before this!

Burning anything at all is not good for you but burning matches or birthday candles for a short time will cause nowhere near the problems with indoor pollution that a log burner or worse open fire would cause.

Scented candles (and air fresheners while we are at it) in the over hand are also a significant cause of poor indoor air quality.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jan/18/home-sweet-home-combat-indoor-pollution-scented-candles-cleaning-products