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Middle Class Ugly Clothing part two

463 replies

RoyalFamilyFan · 07/01/2022 22:39

Original thread here.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4446999-To-think-so-many-middle-class-clothes-are-ugly?pg=40

I admit I am hardly a style guru. But when I joined Mumsnet people talked about lots of companies I had never heard of like Toast. So I followed links of clothes posted and looked at the websites mentioned. And was shocked at how ugly so much of the clothing was.
Shapeless grey dresses. Black loose trousers teamed with black tunics which make the model look like she is a member of a cult. Shapeless brown t-shirts.
They are just so ugly. AIBU?

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mathanxiety · 10/01/2022 03:11

No need for any more repetition.

Dontgetmewrong87 · 10/01/2022 05:28

This thread is interesting. It made me wonder how many people are struggling to express their identity through clothes, or somehow feel that there have changed and they don’t know who they are anymore. Also age is never specifically mentioned. As I enter my 30s, I find the odd thing in Toast to be occasionally appealing, but in general it’s too austere for me. I would not be seen dead in Boden, White Stuff, or Joules. On the other side, I would never shop at Boohoo or Primark as the clothes are cheap and unethical.

I grew up poor but from an educated middle class family and have been buying secondhand designer since I was a teenager. As a result my wardrobe is full of Dolce and Gabbana, Moschino, Calvin Klein, Celine, etc. I sometimes buy new - the most I’ve spent being £600, but rarely. I like brands like Sezane, Maje, Ganni, Sandro, Paloma Wool, and pick pieces up on Depop or Vinted.

I don’t judge other people on their clothes. My immediate friendship group is very stylish - I have not lived outside of a European capital city since I was 18 - but I have other friends who are more high street in their choices. I’ve been purging all the cheap high street bought as a student from my wardrobe but have things I like from & Other Stories, Monki, and Zara. I have one dress from Toast and one from COS but may be tempted my more as I age.

It’ll be interested to see how my style changes after I have my baby. If I don’t lose the weight I’ll just sell some of the stuff, but I’ll always prioritise/worship design I think (my mum is the same and would always pull designer items out at charity shops, and helped me copy pictures from vogue using the sewing machine). The first thing I bought for my baby was a romper from Bonpoint.

I guess I’m a clothes snob, though only for myself, if that makes sense. People have different style. I’ve been giving away clothes to friends recently and it’s been interesting seeing what they take/don’t take. I’m never offended if they don’t fancy something.

Billandben444 · 10/01/2022 06:43

But the droopy baggy clothes are also difficult as they tend to make older women look very dumpy. Often as women age I think more structured clothes are better.
I agree with this. I turn 70 this year and unless I make an effort to look 'pulled together' (particularly my hair) then the look is more bag lady than anything else. I tried the white-trainers-with-floaty-dress look but felt I looked more dotty-old-woman-with-bad-bunions and wearing mismatching patterns looks as though I got dressed in the dark.

Cornisharchitect · 10/01/2022 07:20

@KimikosNightmare yes I identify as working class. I grew up in a working class family, in a very deprived area. I still live in that deprived area and I earn far below average for an architect due to the location. My DC school is on a council estate.

I didn’t realise that when I left for university Id be moving up the “class” ladder even though I moved back to my hometown.

Thanks for informing me Confused … now I’m off to work all layered up with my football shirt under my nice boring jumper from Tesco. And my trousers from Matalan. I’m wearing Nike trainers.

Grin this thread has lost the plot!

StEval · 10/01/2022 07:28

they choose to buy ugly clothes which look like they have been made out of fabric from a Victorian tip by somebody in their first sewing class. That's the mystery.

Wool, cotton, cotton poplin,linen, alpaca are fabrics from a Victorian tip?

Really no mystery other than you clearly have no idea about good quality fabrics.

Malibuismysecrethome · 10/01/2022 07:33

TrickyD I too liked East. I loved their linen dresses for the summer, white, blue, grey and beige all beautiful. I’m not a fan of scarves and patterns but did love the linen dresses.

anungratefulwretch · 10/01/2022 11:32

ugly clothes which look like they have been made out of fabric from a Victorian tip by somebody in their first sewing class

I mean, this really is the most ridiculous comment on a thread full of ridiculous comments. Whatever else you may think of the clothes from places like Toast, the fabrics, cut and finishing are usually excellent. As a pp says, this is just showing ignorance really.

(I had to smile at the post about the 'degree in engineering' cut of Cos clothes. I had actually just finished ironing a Cos dress - beautiful silk/cotton fabric with a slight 'tulip' skirt - it was indeed a pita to iron properly but it hangs like a dream!)

Cam22 · 10/01/2022 11:39

@StEval

they choose to buy ugly clothes which look like they have been made out of fabric from a Victorian tip by somebody in their first sewing class. That's the mystery.

Wool, cotton, cotton poplin,linen, alpaca are fabrics from a Victorian tip?

Really no mystery other than you clearly have no idea about good quality fabrics.

Exactly. What an ignorant response.
Cam22 · 10/01/2022 12:06

So many posters are creating lazy stereotypes about “ art teachers”. 🙄

Cam22 · 10/01/2022 12:13

@SouthernFashionista

So many hideous outfits posted. The original Toast dress that sparked the whole chat - why can’t they use an attractive model? I’m not being disingenuous, why have someone who looks they’re about to head off to a funeral having spent the last month in a monastery wearing sackcloth and ashes. Grim and not at all aspirational.
Cos models look androgynous. Luckily I. An see past the shorthaired, grouchy faces. The clodhopper boots are LUDICROUS, too!
Momicrone · 10/01/2022 12:13

I grew up poor, barely had a new item of clothing ever, it was all 2nd hand, people on low income do not need to shop at primark, incidentally to this day I find it really difficult to buy expensive clothes despite having money now

Cam22 · 10/01/2022 12:13

…I can…

Alcemeg · 10/01/2022 12:25

I'd actually be scared of meeting them in a dark alleyway, @Cam22!

Having just ordered myself a long cardigan and some Chelsea boots in the H&M sale, but with no idea what to wear them with, I can see the appeal of simplicity. I have absolutely no idea what my sense of style is. I'm not sure I have one.

StEval · 10/01/2022 13:34

I'd actually be scared of meeting them in a dark alleyway,@Cam22!

That just a picture of a woman.
Shes relaxed with a neutral face not grouchy.
Very 80s look with strong features, make up earrings .

We have moved on from expecting women to smile at all times surely Hmm

HarrietPierce · 10/01/2022 13:49

Alcemeg Mon 10-Jan-22 12:25:22
"I'd actually be scared of meeting them in a dark alleyway, @Cam22!"

You'd be scared of meeting a woman in a mid length black dress and Doc Marten type boots in a dark alley, or you'd be scared of meeting anyone in a dark alley ?

Alcemeg · 10/01/2022 14:08

@HarrietPierce

Alcemeg Mon 10-Jan-22 12:25:22 "I'd actually be scared of meeting them in a dark alleyway, *@Cam22*!"

You'd be scared of meeting a woman in a mid length black dress and Doc Marten type boots in a dark alley, or you'd be scared of meeting anyone in a dark alley ?

There is something very Darth Vader. It might be those cuffs?
SocialConnection · 10/01/2022 14:13

I'd love to be in a position to buy them. For quite a while I've been in the charity shop / Peacocks /Shoe Zone / Bon Marche / M & Co space. I found with cheap new clothes if I steer away from prints and bright colours (which can look cheap) it's possible to get things that look way more expensive and better quality than they are. Fine knit sweaters and cardigans with pretty buttons are great at the moment and could be from anywhere. Then the charity shop luck lottery - I've had some great finds including Jaeger and Janet Reger. I do wonder though - if I HAD the cash, where would I want to spend it?!

CoalCraft · 10/01/2022 14:19

I'm middle class and what little clothes shopping I do, I do in Tesco. Bought something from M&S recently 'cause I had a voucher.

BusterGonad · 10/01/2022 17:24

I do think the look for baggier clothes is a MC thing, it's definitely a look I associate with it anyway. Floaty silk blouses, long dresses, all beautifully cut. I do think it's to do with moving away from what you see on things like TOWIE, the Kadashians, girl bands and people like Katie Price in the newspapers. I know I'm fed up of seeing every inch of these 'celebrities' bodies abd I personally prefer a more covered look myself, I also lived in Qatar for a few years so got used to being more modest in my dressing. Maybe it's just my age! I don't wear Toast, Hush or any of the brands mentioned as its personally not my thing but I can see why they have a following.

BellaChagall · 10/01/2022 17:41

I think that Cos dress is fabulous. It wouldn't suit me, but if I was tall and slim I'd wear it.

KimikosNightmare · 10/01/2022 20:37

@BellaChagall

I think that Cos dress is fabulous. It wouldn't suit me, but if I was tall and slim I'd wear it.
I'm not tall or slim and I've had lots of compliments about my Cos dresses. I think I have the tulip shaped one which is a nightmare to iron mentioned upthread.
Frenchfurze · 10/01/2022 20:53

www.cosstores.com/en_eur/women/womenswear/dresses/product.relaxed-fit-midi-shirt-dress-blue.1001994006.html

I have this one in navy. I’m 5 ft 6.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 10/01/2022 21:01

Well, for all those saying Cos and Toast are ugly middle class retailers,they can’t be that bad.

They survived when Arcadia and all the other shops collapsed. Where Dorothy Perkins, Oasis and Top Shop now? They don’t have a high street presence anymore

At least the ‘ugly’ clothes retailers survived which says quite a lot!

quirkychick · 10/01/2022 21:10

Frenchfurze, that is a lovely dress. I also like the COS black corduroy one further up. I think there are loads of ways to style them.

I commented on the previous thread, and do have some Toast and Plumo (though agree you can often buy cheaper direct from the brands). I don't really wear the cottagecore stuff of any brand, but mix up pieces from lots of places, including secondhand and vintage. I started buying from charity shops at about 16, with my friends, altering stuff if we liked the fabric. It was more of a teenage rebellion against the disdain for "clothes from Oxfam" and a lack of much choice in 80s suburbia for us.