Who is being U, Australia or Novak Djokovic?

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Me, I'm in the you can't have your cake and eat it Novak, camp!

That’s true he does meet the entry requirements for the event not the country. However the federal government asked Victorian government to apply for an exemption for him to enter without meeting visa conditions (rumour is they asked multiple times). Exemptions can be and are granted for various reasons If the Vic gov had asked they would have granted it, then blamed any backlash on Victoria.

@Notanotheruser111

That’s true he does meet the entry requirements for the event not the country. However the federal government asked Victorian government to apply for an exemption for him to enter without meeting visa conditions (rumour is they asked multiple times). Exemptions can be and are granted for various reasons If the Vic gov had asked they would have granted it, then blamed any backlash on Victoria.

Arh, I didn't realise that - I thought that it was the tennis association who had refused not Dan Andrews and his mob. How silly of them.

@Notanotheruser111

That’s true he does meet the entry requirements for the event not the country. However the federal government asked Victorian government to apply for an exemption for him to enter without meeting visa conditions (rumour is they asked multiple times). Exemptions can be and are granted for various reasons If the Vic gov had asked they would have granted it, then blamed any backlash on Victoria.

I don't think that is what happened at all.

Can someone just put the anti vaxxer idiot on a plane like they usually do straight away when you try and enter Australia without the correct visa. I nearly wet myself laughing this morning when I read that his family were demanding he be accommodated in a nicer hotel “according to his status”. Nobody is insisting he stays there, just bugger off home. Yes, it has been badly handled like just about everything our pollies are doing at the moment but we really have more important things to think about at the moment than a spoilt brat tennis player.

Djokovic is not to blame here. Yes he's privileged and other people wouldn't have been given the exemption. But - he went to Australia because he was told he could compete. The government should have made it clear before he arrived that his paperwork wasn't in order. It is not like this issue only arose when he arrived. They've known for months about this potential problem.

@Aishah231

Djokovic is not to blame here. Yes he's privileged and other people wouldn't have been given the exemption. But - he went to Australia because he was told he could compete. The government should have made it clear before he arrived that his paperwork wasn't in order. It is not like this issue only arose when he arrived. They've known for months about this potential problem.

As some who has travelled to Aus to play sport the visa requirements are very very clear, if he isn’t capable of reading him thats his fault, not the fault of the immigration service.

The government should have made it clear before he arrived that his paperwork wasn't in order.
Paperwork is only submitted at the border, so it can't be checked by the border force before arrival. Once it was submitted, he was told it wasn't correct.

It works the same for every country; you arrive and present paperwork to the airline (who check if it looks like a valid visa) and then discuss at the border. Back in the day, I remember a lengthy discussion at the U.S. border about whether my visa and paperwork was correct for work, including answering a number of questions. It was all fine, but I was aware throughout that the man was just doing his job.

@JustUseTheDoorSanta

The government should have made it clear before he arrived that his paperwork wasn't in order. Paperwork is only submitted at the border, so it can't be checked by the border force before arrival. Once it was submitted, he was told it wasn't correct.

It works the same for every country; you arrive and present paperwork to the airline (who check if it looks like a valid visa) and then discuss at the border. Back in the day, I remember a lengthy discussion at the U.S. border about whether my visa and paperwork was correct for work, including answering a number of questions. It was all fine, but I was aware throughout that the man was just doing his job.

I am slightly concerned that there is some element of political point scoring here by Scomo I have to admit. He seemed pretty prepared to give a statement about this (which is unusual for him!) and so part of me thinks that he knew this was coming - not sure. Anyway embarrassing day for Aus politics which ever way you look at it.

Novac and or any PR team are completely tone deaf. He's said a few things as well as his balkans tournament which caused infections. It's clear he doesn't care

His lawyers have said he had covid on 16 December 2021

"Djokovic's lawyers said that 14 days after testing positive in December, the player "had not had a fever or respiratory symptoms of Covid-19 in the last 72 hours".

"Tennis star Novak Djokovic had a vaccine exemption to enter Australia due to a recent Covid infection, his lawyers say in court documents."

And that sounds very dodgy as he tweeted this on 17 December

If it were true, what's he doing out and about shaking hands? Apparently this first positive test was 16th

@Gardeningtipsneeded

But they gave him the visa under their own rules and told him he could play. They granted the medical exemption. They revoked it on his arrival because of backlash.

Again, no. This is not what happened.

Tennis Australia gave him an exception to play the Open. Tennis Australia do not control borders in Australia, that's the responsibility of the Federal Government.

The Federal Government gave him a visa, a visa that he had to support with the relevant documentation. When he arrived at the airport Australian Customs (Border Force) checked his visa, checked his paperwork and was refused entry as his visa requirements were not met.

It's his personal responsibility, and the people who look after this type of paperwork in his name, to make sure he had everything ready. Just like it is the responsiblity of anyone wanting to go to the US/any other foreign country to make sure they comply with the paperwork necessary to enter the country and not just the exception a sporting tournament has given.

Tennis star Novak Djokovic had a vaccine exemption to enter Australia due to a recent Covid infection, his lawyers say in court documents.

Except this exemption only apply to Australians/residents, not tourists. This has already been discussed at the beginning of the thread.

@Alondra I put it in my post because it was breaking news in a BBC article just out 25 minutes ago. Here you are

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59920379

[quote Roussette]@Alondra I put it in my post because it was breaking news in a BBC article just out 25 minutes ago. Here you are

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59920379[/quote]
It's misleading though as it's talks about the exemption from tennis Australia - who do not control the boarders. Monday's court hearing is going to be interesting and hopefully get some clear facts out there as it the moment it's so confusing as to what's actually happened- lots of misinformation.

Sorry ...the date of 16 December testing positive for Covid was the breaking news

[quote Roussette]@Alondra I put it in my post because it was breaking news in a BBC article just out 25 minutes ago. Here you are

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59920379[/quote]
Apologies Roussette. There is so much missinformation about what's happening with Djokovic, it's difficult to track if it's simply an information post (as yours) or just another anti vaxxer giving links to support Djokovic "liberal" stand.

So he has a positive result on the 16th, and is attending a ceremony on the 17th? I know he's anti vaxx but surely only extreme covid deniers (or perhaps people who think covid is a good thing and doing nature's work) would behave like that? May not be relevant to entry requirements for Australia bit says a lot more about the man.

@Roussette

Sorry ...the date of 16 December testing positive for Covid was the breaking news

Yes, it's interesting that when he tested positive for Covid in 2020 it was news all over the world, and in his 16 December positive, the news only go back a few hours because it's the basis of the appeal from his lawyers.

Yes it's getting very convoluted!

Yes agree with Alondra - there is a heap of misinformation being circulated and there is no fault to anyone for being confused. There are lots of reports that he was granted the exemption by Tennis Australia/Vic Govt, that don’t then clarify that this was only an exemption to play in the tournament, and he also needed to meet Commonwealth visa requirements.

Unfortunately for us, the PM can’t lie straight in bed, so it’s difficult to work out who asked what when. In my view he shouldn’t have been allowed on the plane.

A sad side issue is that Djokovic was being detained in a hotel that currently is holding a number of refugees who have been detained for 8 years.

I’m definitely not Team Djokovic, and our COVID policies are in no way too strict, but geez this country is a shambles right now.

@Gremlinsateit

Yes agree with Alondra - there is a heap of misinformation being circulated and there is no fault to anyone for being confused. There are lots of reports that he was granted the exemption by Tennis Australia/Vic Govt, that don’t then clarify that this was only an exemption to play in the tournament, and he also needed to meet Commonwealth visa requirements.

Unfortunately for us, the PM can’t lie straight in bed, so it’s difficult to work out who asked what when. In my view he shouldn’t have been allowed on the plane.

A sad side issue is that Djokovic was being detained in a hotel that currently is holding a number of refugees who have been detained for 8 years.

I’m definitely not Team Djokovic, and our COVID policies are in no way too strict, but geez this country is a shambles right now.

Agreed.

Unfortunately for us, the PM can’t lie straight in bed, so it’s difficult to work out who asked what when. In my view he shouldn’t have been allowed on the plane.

There are few people who detest Scomo more than I do. But for once, he's right.

Thousands of people are given visas to enter the country and often airlines look at the visa and let you in the plane without checking all the relevant documentation. It's why thousands of people are refused entry in airports not just in Australia but all over the world on weekly basis.

If Djokovic was Joe Bloke, none of us would have heard about it. But he is the number 1 tennis player in the world who thought the exemption from Tennis Australia was enough to bypass border control into Australia. And he can't. I have no doubt Scomo is milking this like mana from heaven. But he's right.

Atagi is an Australian Advisory Group in Immunisation who advises the Federal Health minister about Australian immunisation issues. Not foreign tourists immunisation issues.

It’s pretty unbelievable Australia keep refugees in hotels for 8 years! That is extraordinary. I presume they just live there and are free to come and go as they please?

Tennis Australia seem at fault to me here, seems like they gave a nod and a wink it would be ok. It seems very rude and inhospitable to tell him he can come on one hand then do this to him when he arrives. Although I don’t think he is Jesus
Either way it’s a mess and pretty embarrassing.
There are currently English cricket players and their families in Aus at the moment not having the best time either according to reports in U.K. due to all the draconian covid rules ( and probably because they are losing!)

If I was a sportsperson I think I would give Australia a wide berth until all this calms down 2023?

@Roussette

And that sounds very dodgy as he tweeted this on 17 December

If it were true, what's he doing out and about shaking hands? Apparently this first positive test was 16th

The presentation was on 16th: www.posta.rs/eng/info/vest-detaljnije.aspx?ID=9438. It's handy that he tested positive later that day with enough time for 14 days post infection before his flight. He is clearly such a careful man doing multiple tests each day.....

Would be interesting to know what was shown as his evidence of the covid infection. Own doctor saying "yup yup, totes was infected on those dates only."?