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Who is being U, Australia or Novak Djokovic?

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inheritancetrack · 06/01/2022 08:06

Me, I'm in the you can't have your cake and eat it Novak, camp!

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GullyGawk · 06/01/2022 11:21

@JuneOsborne

You can't get round the rules,just because of who you are.

Anyone else imagining his horror at being in the quarantine hotel? Not his usual level of luxury, I'm sure.

But Nicole Kidman and Tom Hanks didn’t have to quarantine in an airport hotel in the beginning of the pandemic..
MorningStarling · 06/01/2022 11:22

@PlanktonsComputerWife

Novak (sounds like a brand of vacuum cleaner)

No. It sounds like a perfectly ordinary Slavic name. Such casual xenophobia on here.

Novak sounds similar to Nuvac, the Henry-style thing.
toomuchlaundry · 06/01/2022 11:22

It's weird seeing the posts saying how awful the rules have been in Australia. Most threads about COVID and complaining about the cases in UK usually state they wish we had been like Australia

Porridgeislife · 06/01/2022 11:23

Tom Hanks got Covid before hotel quarantine was started.

whysotriggered · 06/01/2022 11:25

I am a huge tennis fan and have always admired Djokovic as a player. However, even before the pandemic, he was a bit of a bellend and he was the least loved out of the big 4 - Nadal, Federer, Djokovic & Murray, despite being on balance the most successful. It has understandably got to him over the years. I respect his right not to take a vaccination but I doubt his medical exemption would stand up to any independent scrutiny so I am with Australia.

rainbowpolarbear · 06/01/2022 11:27

Team Australia ! Well done them actually supporting the views of their citizens instead of putting fame and money first

JustRambling · 06/01/2022 11:28

Just emphasising what a couple of previous posters have said.

Team Australia are the equivalent of the British LTA (Lwan Tennis Association) and they granted him a medical exemption to play in the Australian Open. They have nothing to do with visas to enter the country.

Australian Border Force are the equivalent of the British Border Force and are responsible for checking visas of all passengers entering the country. They are the ones who have denied him entry. Nothing to do with Team Australia.

(sorry posted too soon earlier)

AmyDudley · 06/01/2022 11:31

He's forever whining that people don't like him and he can't understand why - total lack of insight, take a look at yourself man !

Kennykenkencat · 06/01/2022 11:39

@Gardeningtipsneeded

But they gave him the visa under their own rules and told him he could play. They granted the medical exemption. They revoked it on his arrival because of backlash.
I thought he had adhered to the rules.

Then Australia altered them when he landed.

What exactly was the danger if he had recently had Covid he would be immune from catching it or spreading it.

Kennykenkencat · 06/01/2022 11:42

@rainbowpolarbear

Team Australia ! Well done them actually supporting the views of their citizens instead of putting fame and money first
If that were true then it is admirable but I think there have been a few celebrities who have been wafted through security at the airport and allowed to do their quarantine at home instead of in a hotel like everyone else.
Grida · 06/01/2022 11:42

@Exhausteddog

I think they are both unreasonable. Australian rules seem incredibly harsh and unreasonable. However he is unreasonable to think they don't apply to him.
I agree with this.
Exhausteddog · 06/01/2022 11:57

He's forever whining that people don't like him and he can't understand why - total lack of insight, take a look at yourself man !

I'm sure he'll get a warm reception from the crowd if he does get to play...? 🤣🤣🤣

dollybird · 06/01/2022 12:00

I read that he had covid nine months ago. My friend had it just before Christmas and has it again now.

SickAndTiredAgain · 06/01/2022 12:14

@whynotwhatknot

Hes appealing apprently on what grounds i dont know

if he gets let in so should the other unvaxxed players

According to the bbc, several other players have already arrived and been let in with an exemption.
melj1213 · 06/01/2022 12:18

@AgentJohnson

He is either qualified for an exemption or did not. Australia has embarrassed itself by giving him an exemption and then terminating his visa upon arrival.
A lot of people keep posting as if there's one Australian government that has flip flopped on letting him in but this is not the case at all.

Australia is a federation structured much like the US is with state and federal governments that are distinct entities, act independently of each other, and have differing powers and areas of responsibility. They have undertaken differing roles during the pandemic.

Pretty much anything to do with the Open is handled by the government of the state of Victoria, however the Australian federal government is (obviously) in charge of border control and immigration.

Djokovic's exemption was approved by the government of the state of Victoria under a process negotiated between the state and Tennis Australia. The process involved an independent assessment by two separate panels of his evidence that he met the requirements for exemption from Victoria's requirements for vaccination. Exemptions are only granted in six circumstances (www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/atagi-expanded-guidance-on-temporary-medical-exemptions-for-covid-19-vaccines.pdf), one of which is infection with Covid in the last six months.

The exemption that was granted is to the vaccination requirements within the state of Victoria. This applies to entry to venues, including Melbourne Park.

Critically, the approval of the exemption was not:

  • Clearance to enter the country

  • An exemption from the requirements of his visa and the entry requirements of the federal government

  • An indication that the Victorian government supported his participation in the Open.

The Australian federal government requires that all non-citizens entering the country be vaccinated. While the Victorian government through the independent assessment had cleared him for participation, Djokovic still needed to be assessed by the federal government in relation to his entry to the country.

Reports on exactly what happened are scattered, but I've read his entry to the country has been prevented on two points:

  • That the visa he has tried to enter on does not allow for vaccine exemptions, and/or

  • That the Border Force is disputing the validity of his stated exemption (which is allegedly evidence of prior infection).

From comments made by the Health Minister the issue was on the latter point.

Australia's current travel restrictions do allow for individual exemptions to the vaccine requirements to be granted to a foreign national whose entry would be in the national interest. This must be supported by the federal government or a state or territory government authority. Border Force reached out to the Victorian state government requesting confirmation of whether it would support Djokovic's entry into the country, and the Victorian government has confirmed it will not support his entry into the country. The federal government has also refused to support an individual exemption and his visa has been rejected.

How can the Victorian government turn around and reject him after approving his exemption?

While I have my own doubts about the independence of the assessment process, the process as outlined by Tennis Australia would mean the exemption was granted as an independent medical decision that the Victorian government (politically) had no hand in making. A process was set up, it was stated to be independent, Djokovic applied for an exemption, his evidence was assessed and he was deemed to meet the exemption requirements.

Whether Djokovic qualified for the exemption is an entirely different question to whether the Victorian government supported his participation in the tournament.

Support for his entry under national interest reasons is effectively the state government sticking their neck out and saying "Djokovic has particular value to our state which warrants us stepping in. We want him here." This is a different ask to an independent medical assessment based on set guidelines.

The Victorian government's position/rhetoric in the lead up to the Open has been pretty clear that they were not happy about the prospect of unvaccinated players/staff participating in the Open. I assume the independent assessment process was set up following heavy pressure from business interests (in particular the broadcaster of the Open). Actively supporting an unvaccinated player would be inconsistent with how the pandemic has been handled for the past two years. For reference, Melbourne underwent one of the longest cumulative lockdowns in the world.

Djokovic's... general aura around the vaccine issue, coupled with the controversy surrounding his demands during the 2021 Open, makes supporting him a massive political bomb for both the federal government and the state government. I guess the state government was hoping the independent panel would allow them to sidestep the issue, however the visa issues meant a decision had to be made.

FilthyforFirth · 06/01/2022 12:26

Team Aus. Never liked Novak and not remotely surprised he is a mad anti vaxxer who doesnt think rules apply to him. Hope he gets sent back home.

Duchess379 · 06/01/2022 12:27

Team Aus for me! Everyone else has adhered to the jabs, what makes him so special?

Alondra · 06/01/2022 12:28

melj1213

Great post, full on facts.

Anotherbrokenairer · 06/01/2022 12:33

Lol looks unanimous to me.......

milkyaqua · 06/01/2022 12:35

Exemptions are only granted in six circumstances (www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/atagi-expanded-guidance-on-temporary-medical-exemptions-for-covid-19-vaccines.pdf), one of which is infection with Covid in the last six months.

I think you've misread that. Greg Hunt was very clear on that not being the case. Also:

covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/vaccinated-travellers#toc-1

milkyaqua · 06/01/2022 12:38

“The Australian Border Force has advised that people must be fully vaccinated, as defined by ATAGI (the national advisory body on vaccines) to gain quarantine-free entry into Australia,” Mr Hunt wrote.

“In relation to your specific questions, I can confirm that people who contracted Covid-19 within the past six months and seek to enter Australia from overseas, and have not received two doses of a Therapeutic Goods Administration-approved or recognised vaccine are not considered fully vaccinated.”

www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-greg-hunts-letter-to-tennis-australia-about-medical-exemptions-revealed/news-story/ac2621ceb1ec3a0d75ca96cf99a7396e

MyNameIsArthur · 06/01/2022 12:45

I would be disappointed in Australia if it decided to bend or waiver the rules for Djokovic

melj1213 · 06/01/2022 12:51

[quote milkyaqua] Exemptions are only granted in six circumstances (www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/atagi-expanded-guidance-on-temporary-medical-exemptions-for-covid-19-vaccines.pdf), one of which is infection with Covid in the last six months.

I think you've misread that. Greg Hunt was very clear on that not being the case. Also:

covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/vaccinated-travellers#toc-1[/quote]
I haven't misread it - point two is "PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, where vaccination can be deferred until 6 months after the infection. Vaccination should be deferred for 90 days in people who have received anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody or convalescent plasma therapy."

Which means that if you have had covid in the last 6 months then it can be classed as a "temporary exemption"