@SpatulaSpoon
OMG how is this thread still going??? 😳 😂😂😂 Who cares what others do, be it hospital or homebirth?
Yes 'freebirth' to me is a bit nuts, but it's up to them as we live in a free society.
MN is massively anti homebirth, reading this thread alone shows that.
How many posts here have been - oh i wouldn't risk a homebirth, or i would feel so anxious at home, i wanted to be in hospital in case anything happened. Oh i was low risk too but luckily i was in hospital as i pph etc etc.
That's not them being anti freebirth, that's them being anti homebirth. 🙄
I have had a mlu attached to hospital birth, was lovely water birth!!
I have had a home water birth too with 2 lovely midwives in attendance.
I am massively pro choice. If i was to have another I'd probably do hospital as can't be bothered with the uncertainty of if there'd be mws available - i like to plan!!
This thread made me quite uncomfortable with some of the real Mean Girls posts about this Doula.
It also smacks of the whole Breast vs Bottle debates we get so often on MN with both sides so adamant they are right.
What would be lovely is if we ALL could push for real change with maternity services. I 100% believe if men had to give birth and Boris Johnson was expecting, he'd find that mythical nhs brexit money and all maternity areas would be like something out of a 5 star hotel with private rooms and menu options on what pain relief you want, cross sectioned with Tripadvisor style reviews for all HCAs so we could pick with informed choice who to look after us 😂
But instead we continue to just fight amongst ourselves...😑
Think I'm going tonstart an AIBU about cry it out method versus co-sleeping now - that should be fun!!!
"This thread made me quite uncomfortable with some of the real Mean Girls posts about this Doula."
Hear, hear. A lot of projection going on. Accusing others of being 'narcs' using 'flying monkeys', trying to influence others' choices and 'machine gunning' people who disagree, whilst literally demonstrating ALL those behaviours themselves. Creating a horrible bullying atmosphere on this thread, which would never be allowed in the group they seem to so despise but feel compelled to continue being members of.
And the whole thread was built on a premise that was complete fiction - that the group that was targeted pushed people to 'shun medical help at all costs'. It isnt even remotely true. I can believe there may be groups and individuals like that out there but once it became clear who they were talking about, or starting to zero in on it was clearly all built on a false premise.
I do know of a birth business that won't have talk of things going wrong in birth on their page but promotion of that company is actually banned on the targeted group for that reason. And as others have said all births are celebrated, all birth stories are posted and medical intervention is absolutely accepted as something that may be necessary or chosen. People also get pulled up for telling people what to do, making things personal, etc etc.
Its actually the best home birth group on FB. It is one of only three groups I know of where criticism of the system is tolerated and where it is not tolerated for people who were let down, abused, assaulted or traumatised by their birth for any reason to be told to get over it and all that matters is a healthy baby, or to be told that the professionals probably meant well etc.
If people can't tolerate that and only want to be in spaces where the party line is that maternity services are a wonderful thing, that the staff are all lovely except perhaps the odd rogue and that people should always do what medical professionals tell them when they are having babies.....that is pretty much every birth discussion space you would care to visit ( I mean look at MN for a start!), bar a precious few. But apparently they shouldnt exist????? It's not enough to just leave them apparently.
Also some shocking misogyny along the way making fun of womens choices and judging them, calling them and their choices stupid names, scorn at 'earth mothers' etc. Gawd. And of course everyone who thinks birthing women should be obedient seems to have a friends sister in law who resisted advice and it all went horribly wrong. The woman who's baby died in hospital was ignored. Well I know hundreds of women who DID take the advice and interventions and it all went horribly wrong and they have regretted it ever since. Some of their babies died. Some became permanently disabled. Some are carrying trauma years later that they can't shift. It is common in my world. I see it every day. But as women are largely silenced except in support groups and forums for that purpose, it is a well kept open secret and many people dont know or want to know. And the myth continues that to follow the medics is to be safe and to try to birth more naturally or resist some of the advice or coercion is to be foolhardy. It just isnt true. Life isnt that simple. Blindly trust maternity services at your peril. By all means consider their advice and access what medical care you want. But do your research and exercise your right to make your own decisions. And home birth groups can help you to do that. And the one that has been slagged off here will not coerce you into anything. That is just a dangerous lie. It is the professionals that do the coercing. Beware the bull and the tactics and birth how you want to. .