Aibu to not like drag Queens?

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And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

@Notimeforaname

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I'm unable to view it from Ireland..

I'll describe it then:

Lorraine Kelly is a guest judge on a Segment called 'Morning Glory'. Drag queens do different bits, featuring jokes about 'slut drops' as well as the usual innuendo, drag queens opening their legs suggestively, and also featuring two drag queens who are 'Money Saving Essex Girls' doing all the stereotypes: thick accent, fake tan, huge boobs, getting a 'budget' vagazzle, pouring glitter all over their huge fake boobs.

Don't know if that describes it that well, but I just didn't get it?

I don't agree with 'cancel culture' - it's that kind of behaviour which has lead to the appalling threats and behaviour towards JKR as an example. I personally think that the overwhelming proliferation of drag shows on TV at the moment is a trend (like many others - there's been times when Scandanavian crime shows have been the 'in' thing, or animated shows, or shows and films about vampires) and it will eventually circle around to another form of entertainment. The same with drag queens in libraries doing stories for example - the focus will change to older people reading stories, or children reading their own fiction or something else. In terms of live shows etc, people who are interested will still go.

Lorraine Kelly is a guest judge on a Segment called 'Morning Glory'. Drag queens do different bits, featuring jokes about 'slut drops' as well as the usual innuendo, drag queens opening their legs suggestively, and also featuring two drag queens who are 'Money Saving Essex Girls' doing all the stereotypes: thick accent, fake tan, huge boobs, getting a 'budget' vagazzle, pouring glitter all over their huge fake boobs

Well that shouldn't be on daytime telly should it? No matter who is doing/saying it.
This was a morning show was it ? Nothing like that would get on daytime telly here.

I only see things of that nature on tv after the watershed.

Don't know if that describes it that well, but I just didn't get it?

Yes me neither!! How insane to put something of such an adult nature on daytime tv.

I am offended by Monty Python because of their portrayal of religion.
I am not offended by Monty Python, I enjoy their comedy and think they're great.

Both of these opinions are equal and valid. Those who are offended by drag have a valid opinion on it, just as those who are not offended by it and enjoy it have a different but equal opinion.

It wasn't on daytime TV, it was shown really late at night.

I don't think that works as a blanket statement, no. If it's my opinion as a paedophile that it's OK to have sex with a 12yo girl because she's started puberty can that be wrong? It's just my personal opinion.

Or if I think that babies with Down syndrome should be euthanized at birth is that opinion OK?

There is a point at which someone's opinion isn't just about personal preference as it has harmful affects on other individuals and society. I would class encouraging misogyny, racism etc in that.

I personally think that the overwhelming proliferation of drag shows on TV at the moment is a trend (like many others - there's been times when Scandanavian crime shows have been the 'in' thing, or animated shows, or shows and films about vampires) and it will eventually circle around to another form of entertainment. The same with drag queens in libraries doing stories for example - the focus will change to older people reading stories, or children reading their own fiction or something else. In terms of live shows etc, people who are interested will still go

I have to agree with you.
It will always be around but it's just a very popular trend right now.

I went to my first drag show 17 years ago it was in no way mainstream then and more just 'part of the scene '
The huge interest will die down somewhat when new trends arrive.

It wasn't on daytime TV, it was shown really late at night

Ah grand then!
I've seen men, women and drag queens do the same type of thing on late night telly.

Theres always offensive,sexual content late at night.

@Waitwhat23

So why do they have to dress and act as a parody of a woman while doing these things?

Not all of them do

I think the biggest issue is many on this thread who don't like them only are familiar with one 'type' of drag. Got offended and didn't bother opening their minds and exploring other types out there.

Hence the ignorant comment about no women who do drag etc.

Women do drag as men (drag kings), women also do drag as women (Victoria Scone is a well known one) male drag artists often do women and men in their performances. Some don't even do that and dress as aliens or cattle

@Notimeforaname Morning Glory isn't a daytime TV show -🙈

@Notimeforaname

It wasn't on daytime TV, it was shown really late at night

Ah grand then!
I've seen men, women and drag queens do the same type of thing on late night telly.

Theres always offensive,sexual content late at night.

What, ripping the piss out of women is fine as long as its on late at night?

@ClaudiaJ1

To make a point of how insidious misogyny is, and the type of people who like drag - just how programmed they are to accept this hatred of women, a poster in defence of drag on here said on another thread that their 15 year old brother gave a card to their mother 'from the one she should have swallowed'. This is how damaged these people are, and they are so desensitised to it, they actually think it's normal.

This is what the type of misogyny and hatred of women portrayed in drag leads to. A woman thinking it funny her brother gave their mother a Mother's Day card saying she should have swallowed....

Showing those great reading skills I see

Never said my 15 year old brother did anything - the OPs brother was 15

If you are unable to read I'm not surprised you can't understand why some people find different things funny and to taste

@Notimeforaname

Sadly there have been a few instances of drag queens abusing children that have made headlines

Its everywhere. I'm not surprised. People from all walks of life are guilty of it. So sad.

Sex offenders, including paedophiles, are drawn to places, institutions and occupations where they have the easy access to their chosen victim group and "plausible" explanations for wanting to be in such close quarters with children, so yes they are everywhere. The new trend for "Drag Queen Story Hours" is therefore very disturbing indeed, as paedophiles would find it a very handy way of getting close to children and indeed, already have in a few instances. I am baffled as to why why more people aren't at least questioning it!

What, ripping the piss out of women is fine as long as its on late at night?

Everyone has the piss ripped out of them on late night telly.

Sex offenders, including paedophiles, are drawn to places, institutions and occupations where they have the easy access to their chosen victim group and "plausible" explanations for wanting to be in such close quarters with children, so yes they are everywhere.
The new trend for "Drag Queen Story Hours" is therefore very disturbing indeed, as paedophiles would find it a very handy way of getting close to children and indeed, already have in a few instances. I am baffled as to why why more people aren't at least questioning it!

Is it because they are male ?
Ok we are to protect children from male drag queens telling stories in case they try to abuse them...but should we remove all men from working in libraries,schools and sports because they may be sex offenders too and have too much access to children? Could they be trying to get closer to children? Or is it only a risk if the man is wearing female clothing? I'm genuinely trying to understand

@SwimmingIntoMotherhood Yes I admit I got that detail wrong however it is still utterly abhorrent, misogynist and disgusting, which is why you were rightly roundly told on that thread.

I don't think that works as a blanket statement, no. If it's my opinion as a paedophile that it's OK to have sex with a 12yo girl because she's started puberty can that be wrong? It's just my personal opinion

I understand what you are saying . But we all know that paedophilia is morally wrong and against the law.

Drag is not. So in this case it's a matter of personal taste and interests..

The question sone are suggesting is that there are misogynistic aspects of drag that are morally wrong

Grown men calling themselves girls , calling women fishy , sexualisation of things aimed at children

It seems to me that at best it's sometimes a cover for moral wrong

And if it doesn't accept that , then by implication it is very wrong

@Notimeforaname

I don't think that works as a blanket statement, no. If it's my opinion as a paedophile that it's OK to have sex with a 12yo girl because she's started puberty can that be wrong? It's just my personal opinion

I understand what you are saying . But we all know that paedophilia is morally wrong and against the law.

Drag is not. So in this case it's a matter of personal taste and interests..

Sadly, there are plenty of people who don't think paedophilia is wrong. They rebrand themselves "minor attracted persons" or MAPs.

I'm not saying drag is as bad as paedophilia but I think it's disingenuous to say that as long as you think something is OK then that's fine, it's just your personal opinion.

Drag is inherently misogynistic. It's making fun of women and reinforcing harmful sex stereotypes. You might think that's fine as it's on late at night or whatever, but your personal opinion that it's fine doesn't make it less harmful.

[quote ClaudiaJ1]@SwimmingIntoMotherhood Yes I admit I got that detail wrong however it is still utterly abhorrent, misogynist and disgusting, which is why you were rightly roundly told on that thread.[/quote]
That's not the only thing you've gotten wrong me thinks

If you aren't able to read properly or comprehend basic concepts maybe your views on things like this are to be taken with a pinch of salt too

I'm not saying drag is as bad as paedophilia but...

The two are incomparable.

I don't like drag artists. It isn't the look at all, I'm not fond of overly loud or camp personalities, which tends to be a prerequisite for a drag queen.

I am sure that minstrel singers felt they were quite creative, too.

Awful appropriation of women.
Sexist stereotypes and clobber, sexualised, garish....never women in jeans and a hoody, how many of us dress.
References to fishes, fannies, derogatory terms.
No thanks. Too much fetish, misogny.

Not comfortable with being fawned over, force fed by the BBC, used to promote family events.