Page 26 | Aibu to not like drag Queens?

Draggedalong1 · 2022-01-01T12:04:22+00:00

And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

AlfonsoTheGoat · 02/01/2022 21:53

@doadeer

I bet those who make the most profit from the popularity of Drag Queens are neither women, gay nor black.

Ru Paul.

Seemslikeagoodidea · 02/01/2022 21:56

@Clymene

I hate them and I hate the way the bbc is pushing them constantly.

I feel the same. I think the Ru Paul drag shows only appeal to a small minority, but the BBC is so busy being woke that it does not seem bothered about alienating the silent majority.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/01/2022 21:57

@AppleJane

1991? Bloody hell.

If I can face it, I'll dig out my old legal books later. The details of the cases prior to that, where the marital exception was upheld, were horrific.

R v R (1991) went all the way to the House of Lords, and this was what would be today, a very clear-cut case. The victim had moved out and left R prior to the rape, although she hadn't had time to start divorce proceedings. He broke into the house where she was living to attack her.

Moolia · 02/01/2022 21:58

@Notimeforaname

How are jokes about women smelling of fish, names like Anna Bortion and men pretending to be 'Essex Girls' (the episode of Drag Race that I have seen), not misogyny?

Because jokes are jokes 🤷‍♀️

I see nothing misogynistic about drag. That's literally it. You do.. and that's fine.
No problem.

I'd be a bit mad to tell you that you're wrong and don't know your own mind. You seem so annoyed that you cant change my mind.

So by your reasoning racists jokes are OK then because they're jokes?

Omicrone · 02/01/2022 22:01

@Notimeforaname

How are jokes about women smelling of fish, names like Anna Bortion and men pretending to be 'Essex Girls' (the episode of Drag Race that I have seen), not misogyny?

Because jokes are jokes 🤷‍♀️

I see nothing misogynistic about drag. That's literally it. You do.. and that's fine.
No problem.

I'd be a bit mad to tell you that you're wrong and don't know your own mind. You seem so annoyed that you cant change my mind.

Jokes are jokes?

So if there was a TV show that largely revolved around making homophobic jokes, that would be ok? Because jokes are jokes?

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:01

So by your reasoning racists jokes are OK then because they're jokes?

I'm talking about drag dear. As I dont view doing drag the same as doing 'racism ' there's no argument here.

I like drag and you dont.

You cant make me say I agree with racism because I like drag. This is silly now.

ClaudiaJ1 · 02/01/2022 22:04

@Notimeforaname

So by your reasoning racists jokes are OK then because they're jokes?

I'm talking about drag dear. As I dont view doing drag the same as doing 'racism ' there's no argument here.

I like drag and you dont.

You cant make me say I agree with racism because I like drag. This is silly now.

You are being disingenuous. You argued those horrific names mocking child molestation, for one, was a 'joke' therefore not misogynistic. So one can make a racist joke in blackface but it won't be racist because to you, being a 'joke' is the thing that differentiates it. At least own what you say.

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:04

And jokes are jokes. Yes. Black and white comedians tell racist jokes.
Doesn't bother me as it's set up as a joke , not to be taken seriously.

But again I'm was only talking about drag and not racism. I dont equate the two.

bordermidgebite · 02/01/2022 22:04

You like drag
You don't see the misogyny

That's kind of like the people who liked the black and white minstrel and didn't see the racism

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/01/2022 22:05

@Notimeforaname

How are jokes about women smelling of fish, names like Anna Bortion and men pretending to be 'Essex Girls' (the episode of Drag Race that I have seen), not misogyny?

Because jokes are jokes 🤷‍♀️

I see nothing misogynistic about drag. That's literally it. You do.. and that's fine.
No problem.

I'd be a bit mad to tell you that you're wrong and don't know your own mind. You seem so annoyed that you cant change my mind.

Okay, you've lost me now.

That's a bit of a false dichotomy, isn't it?

Why don't you think things can be jokes and misogynistic at the same time? Misogynistic is an adjective. Joke is a noun. Misogynistic jokes are a subset of joke.

bordermidgebite · 02/01/2022 22:05

Jokes at the expense of black people is racism

Jokes at the expense of women is misogyny

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:06

You are being disingenuous

That's fine. I owe you nothing.

It doesn't change my views on drag and it not being misogyny to me. Just differing opinions.

Omicrone · 02/01/2022 22:07

@bordermidgebite

You like drag You don't see the misogyny

That's kind of like the people who liked the black and white minstrel and didn't see the racism

Exactly!

Racists who enjoy racist jokes will always say 'oh but it's not racist is it, it's just a joke', won't they?

Misogynistic who enjoy misogynistic jokes will always say 'oh but it's not misogyny is it, it's just a joke'....

Like I said, a TV show where gay people are the butt of the joke - ok or not?

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:07

Why don't you think things can be jokes and misogynistic at the same time? Misogynistic is an adjective. Joke is a noun. Misogynistic jokes are a subset of joke

Thats just how I think. I'm not sure what else to tell you. You seem really bothered that you cant make me see the world the way you do. I just don't.

Omicrone · 02/01/2022 22:08

That should say misogynists who enjoy misogynistic jokes....

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:10

You like drag
You don't see the misogyny

That's kind of like the people who liked the black and white minstrel and didn't see the racism

Exactly!

So if I agreed and said I was racists and misogynistic because I like drag, would that make you happier?

I can say it if you d like but it stil wouldn't stop me enjoying and supporting drag..

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/01/2022 22:11

@Notimeforaname

Why don't you think things can be jokes and misogynistic at the same time? Misogynistic is an adjective. Joke is a noun. Misogynistic jokes are a subset of joke

Thats just how I think. I'm not sure what else to tell you. You seem really bothered that you cant make me see the world the way you do. I just don't.

Then how would you describe the jokes in more detail than simply saying "joke"?

What is the nature of the joke?

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/01/2022 22:12

Let's not pretend that women aren't oppressed. And drag is perpetuating that oppression by reducing us to highly sexualised stereotypes.

I'm not pretending that women aren't oppressed.

I disagree that drag perpetuates female oppression.

I know what a woman is.
I know who I am and I know what a drag act is and the multitude of differences in between.
I am not reduced by drag.

bordermidgebite · 02/01/2022 22:13

I am not reduced
I am insulted

Omicrone · 02/01/2022 22:13

@Notimeforaname

You like drag You don't see the misogyny

That's kind of like the people who liked the black and white minstrel and didn't see the racism

Exactly!

So if I agreed and said I was racists and misogynistic because I like drag, would that make you happier?

I can say it if you d like but it stil wouldn't stop me enjoying and supporting drag..

The racism point is a parallel - drag isn't racist....its misogynist. In drag, women are the butt of the jokes. It's men taking the piss out of women, using offensive names, saying offensive things about women's genitals. If you don't think saying offensive things about female genitals is misogyny then that's fine, but it shows that you don't know what misogyny is and therefore makes your argument rather redundant.

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:14

What is the nature of the joke?

What jokes are you talking about?

Notimeforaname · 02/01/2022 22:19

The racism point is a parallel - drag isn't racist....its misogynist. In drag, women are the butt of the jokes. It's men taking the piss out of women, using offensive names, saying offensive things about women's genitals. If you don't think saying offensive things about female genitals is misogyny then that's fine, but it shows that you don't know what misogyny is and therefore makes your argument rather redundant

I'm just going to say it one more time...I dont see misogyny in drag. You can dress that up however you want to but I just don't. I enjoy drag.

I doesn't offend me in the slightest.

I do understand other people don't like it as we all have likes and dislikes and form our own opinions.

I

I have not been offended by any of the jokes made at the drag shows I've been to. And I've never been to a drag show where they just joked about women.

Usually current affairs and politics.

I am not a racist and I dont hate women but like drag.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/01/2022 22:20

And getting back to the other discussion we were having, it has only been 30 years and 2 months since the presumption was overturned that married men had a right to sexual intercourse.

That presumption was put on record by Sir Matthew Hale in the 1600s as follows:

the husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given herself up to her husband, consent which she cannot retract"

It stood until 1991.

Waitwhat23 · 02/01/2022 22:21

@PurgatoryOfPotholes just made the mistake of reading about the 1954 case. The sentence which really stood out to me was 'Before arraignment counsel for the defence moved to quash the indictment on the ground that the depositions disclosed that the woman concerned was the prisoner's wife and that in law a man could not commit rape against his wife; and, as regards the second count, on the grounds that it was no assault for a man to have intercourse with his wife, even if she were unwilling and resisted, and that the depositions disclosed no actual bodily harm'

When you realise this was 1954, it just boggles the mind.

bordermidgebite · 02/01/2022 22:23

You have not been offended

I don't think Pritti Patel sees much racism in her anti imagination policies either