Aibu to not like drag Queens?

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And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

@Alphavilla

Good Post I know what you mean about sitting next to a male feeling equal then something like this comes on.

Most women don't seem be bothered with men enough to do a male parady?

@Antsgomarching

Its interesting, I never connected drag queens with women because most of the women I know don’t behave like that iyswim. I always associated it with “stereotypical” gay man behaviour like an uber parody of effeminate gay men. So drag queens haven’t ever really bothered me much, hate fish jokes though, they can fuck off with that shit its not funny its spiteful and woman hating.

Also don’t get the need to be reading to kids or having kids do drag, sure some kids will grow up to like/do drag but it feels like its boundary pushing in a sinister way. Those drag queen names are also just reflective of how much some men despise women “molestia child” is just especially sick.

There is the theory that 'femininity' is a role separate entirely from 'female' and 'woman'. Germaine Greer talked about it in 'the Female Eunuch'.

I used to think this was feasible. But looking at drag queens lately, I think it's taking roles that are imposed on women or that women are compelled to inhabit, and making fun of them. So it is making fun of women, as subordinate and lesser than men. Mockery - imagine a man pretending to be as stupid and shallow and silly as a woman! And I've noticed the language, the constant use of terms like 'bitch' and 'pussy'. It's not glorifying women, let's face it.

@Wineandroses3

What!!! Please no??
That's not bloody woke??

It's kind of like, I wish I could be as brash/unfiltered as them when heeding off unwanted male attention.
It's almost as if having a female body as opposed to a male one makes you more vulnerable.

I wish I could be as brash/unfiltered as them when heeding off unwanted male attention.
Yes but you can't, can you?

@JaneJeffer

I wish I could be as brash/unfiltered as them when heeding off unwanted male attention. Yes but you can't, can you?

Or, to put it another way, what would happen if you did? They'd be consequences, wouldn't there.

[quote Newyearoldyou]@Wineandroses3

What!!! Please no??
That's not bloody woke??[/quote]
Yes it’s true, drag queens are going into primary schools who sign up to a program called No Outsiders. No sure what you mean re the woke comment.

I dont need to be a 'Cool girl' ClaudiaJ1, dont be a dick (oo a derogatory term referring to male genitalia, should i not say that for fear of offending males?)..
I'm 58 hardly 'a girl' get a grip.. and i dont give a monkeys what people think, so no need to 'fit in' with the men for godsakes..

You know jack shit about me, yeah yeah i had a Spare Rib subscription back in the day, and ?.. but having jokes about fish does not personally offend me, i can easily chuck back comments, its called having a laugh..
.. and i love drag queens! so what? I've had bricks thrown at me and been chased through multi storey car parks ALONG with my camp gay friends, by men.
There are bigger fights to have imo as women, but your choice to bang on about a verbal play and a man in a dress.

Meanwhile women are getting spiked by injection in clubs and domestic abuse is on the rise, i very much doubt either is carried out by drag queens is it? Pick your fights..

@Notimeforaname

On every drag thread here the same 3 most shocking drag names are used over and over again.

Theres a lot more to drag than those 3 characters.

Most people like comedy but some comedians are too much for some people and some are offended by things others wouldn't be. I understand. I am simply not offended nor worried by drag but I understand others are.

But nobody should be shamed for liking or disliking something perfectly legal.

Except, it goes beyond those names, because none of these men performed in isolation.

They have been booked, and met with sufficient approval that they've continued to perform under those names. At such a point, we have to consider the idea they aren't outliers, but that they are simply the most obvious outcroppings of an all-pervasive cultural misogyny.

For example, Miss Carriage only became a well known example on this forum when the performer decided to attack feminists on twitter using his business account of the same name. He seemed utterly blindsided that feminists could consider such a name problematic and quickly disguised it by changing his twitter name to Victoria Carriage. I think this speaks to the echo chamber he moves in that he didn't see the reaction coming.

I wonder how many other performers there are with comparably tasteless names that do have the sense to remain below our radar.

I can't get too offended by Dame Edna, sorry.

If the main objection to drag is the objectification and humiliation of women, I guess an equivalent would be the thousands of hen parties that parade around every weekend with an assortment of plastic, rubber and inflatable cocks. Is that not objectification of men? Why is that necessary?

@Omicrone @WorriedMumDoesntSleep
@JaneJeffer I knew I'd be jumped on....

I like to think I am a feminist, but concequences if I did have that wit..... I probably wouldn't have been raped. If I had the confidence as that person to say fuck off you bellend..... He probably wouldn't have taken advantage of the fact I was female.

But you know, just sit in your ivory feminist towers..... Drag Queens provide humour, if you don't like them, don't fucking watch them. Simple.

They give me the heebie jeebies along with dolls who's eyes open when you sit them up and clowns.

I don't think it me sitting in an ivory tower.
Tell you what, next time you are would whistled say fuck you. Be clever. Let me know how it pans out.

No seriously, don't.

if you don't like them, don't fucking watch them
I don't. Switched off BBC1 last night as soon as they came on.

Oh trust me after many years of trauma and therapy and finally finding my inner bitch, I have no qualms in telling someone to fuck off..... I actually think it has saved me a couple of times from history repeating itself.

On every drag thread here the same 3 most shocking drag names are used over and over again.Theres a lot more to drag than those 3 characters.
This is the list I got when I googled " funny" drag names.
Anna Bortion. ...
Freida Slaves. ...
Eggz Benedict. ...
Malestia Child. ...
Phallic Cunt. ...
Meatball. ...
Maddelynn Hatter.

Very wholesome.

For God's sake. So it's not enough that women are paid less then men, a huge percentage experience sexual assault and women bear the brunt of work within the home aka wifework. Exacerbated by the pandemic when women were much more likely than men to be supervising children accessing homelearning than men. (I don't use the term homeschooling as I'm a teacher and know better). But now on top of all this we are ridiculed. Cheers

I had never thought about drag really until the Big Fat Quiz of the Year on the TV a few years ago. The show had asked some drag performers on to explain about the terminology and they explained 'fishy', complete with disgusted faces and hand wafting. The audience and guests sat there uproariously laughing and I remember sitting there thinking 'hang on, they're laughing at how disgusting the smell of women's vaginas are?'. I can't be the only person on here who remembers teenage boys using this tactic at School (along with saying that sanitary towels were audible and similar) to shame and embarrass girls in their class.

This is just the grown up version. We're meant to laugh along and find shaming women about their bodies funny. And those who don't find it funny are told they are prudes, or humourless.

No, thank you.

@Invasionofthegutsnatchers

For God's sake. So it's not enough that women are paid less then men, a huge percentage experience sexual assault and women bear the brunt of work within the home aka wifework. Exacerbated by the pandemic when women were much more likely than men to be supervising children accessing homelearning than men. (I don't use the term homeschooling as I'm a teacher and know better). But now on top of all this we are ridiculed. Cheers

You're talking like they are new inventions, they have been around longer than me and I'm 40+.....

You're talking like they are new inventions, they have been around longer than me and I'm 40+.....

Well as misogyny has existed for millennia I would think forms of drag may have always existed

Whether you are comfortable telling someone to fuck off or not, the fact remains that a man is much less at risk from doing so as he has a male body.
That's why they can get whole audiences laughing at other blokes, within fear of consequences to the same degree.

ŶANBU. One of the worst things I've had to endure was a night at a drag show in Blackpool for a friends birthday. I think it was called "funny girls" - it was the least funny thing I've ever seen.

Men in bad makeup & wigs miming along and pulling funny faces to songs by "divas". I just didn't get it at all.

YANBU - I can't bear it and can't understand how it's so often on the TV.
Terribly demeaning to women.

I don't like them either, just cannot see the appeal at all. I find it difficult to believe that any women genuinely find them funny.