Aibu to not like drag Queens?

[Draggedalong1]

And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

@Sonex

can you imagine if women started parodying gay men and making money out of doing shows with overeaxgerated campiness and going on about the smell of butt holes?

Please can someone do this?! Although they'd probably get arrested for a hate crime.

Please can someone do this?! Although they'd probably get arrested for a hate crime.

They absolutely would. As I said earlier for no other part of society would it be deemed acceptable to parody, mock and insult to this extent women, as ever, are fair game.

Dear god, 'woman face' WTAF only on MN can everyone be outraged in this way

I'm glad I'll be dead by the time humour and comedy is extinct for fear of offending someone. How do you have the energy to be so offended all the time 🙄

I love drag, it's hilarious, when me & DP went they absolutely murdered him night

Tbh…..panto scares me a little too.

Glad I'm not the only one. I've always found it creepy and unsettling. I'd never take my DDs to a panto.

I don't like drag either. Never have, but I think it's gotten more over the top over the years.

Kitty Demure.

And here is a child who has been greatly encouraged to 'do drag'. Desmond is talking about ketamine use in this video.

And in this video, Desmond is dancing in a bar while adults throw money at him.

In this video, he is interviewed by Club Kid Michael Alig, who was convicted of murdering and dismembering a friend.

Good, wholesome fun.

I loathe Drag Queens, I don't want to watch them either on stage or on TV and have never liked pantomime Dames even as a child. I wouldn't ban them but what is interesting is that this is deemed by some as being "phobic" discriminatory etc etc - whereas if I had said I didn't like a J K Rowling it will deemed abosoloutly acceptable. It just proves to me the current agenda is totally warped

I don’t really like the way drag has gone over the years, but I always liked Hinge and Bracket, pure class.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZfDEzx0tA4

I don't like them. Mainly because I don't think they're funny. I don't really think anything that relies on a costume for humour is very funny (eg Little Britain). It's not exactly clever, is it? Just a bit lame.

@SpindleSpangle

I had a very interesting conversation with a young person (20s) recently that a lot of drag queens these days are actually parodies of transwomen, not of women - that it's actually 'transwomanface' they're putting on.

I'm still working that one through in my head.

As someone in their 20s, I disagree, I think it is offensive to women, I mean, don't they call 'good' drag queens 'fishy' ?

I hate them. I would never pay to go and see this mocking of feminity.

@amnm

Drag queens aren't men dressing up as women. It's (mostly) men dressing deliberately in a way that goes against the gender norms imposed on men as a way of rebelling against society.

The queens on stage aren't pretending they're women.

Drag started because women weren't allowed to be actors and so men had to dress up as women in order for shows to have female characters, they then mocked them on stage and all the men had a jolly good laugh. It then evolved into something else, but if they 'aren't pretending to be women' why do they give their characters women's names?

@BalladOfBarryAndFreda

YANBU, they are a grotesque mockery of womanhood.

This

Gosh some very harsh comments here. I feel very glad drag queens exist - they are part of our rich and varied cultural life. Never seen anything remotely offensive about them/the scene. Live and let live I say!

@bluejelly

Gosh some very harsh comments here. I feel very glad drag queens exist - they are part of our rich and varied cultural life. Never seen anything remotely offensive about them/the scene. Live and let live I say!

You don't find the name 'Miss Carriage' remotely offensive? Really?

@bluejelly

Gosh some very harsh comments here. I feel very glad drag queens exist - they are part of our rich and varied cultural life. Never seen anything remotely offensive about them/the scene. Live and let live I say!

Really ? Not offensive ? When I was taken to a bar with a drag queen act by a gay friend, the drag queen made a lot of comments about women smelling, slack vaginas etc. In what world is this “not offensive” ?

Drag queen is womanface. It's that simple. There is little difference between blackface and womanface. One is racist and the other is femphobic and misogynist/sexist.

@bluejelly Do you think blackface is also "part of our rich and varied cultural life"?

Drag queens have names like Anna Bortion, and Miss Carriage. You honestly don't see how that is deeply offensive to women? And that is even putting aside their gross overdone makeup caricature of women.

Drag queens are deeply, deeply offensive to women, chauvinist, misogynist and femphobic.

I look forward to the day that drag queens are as socially unacceptable and morally abhorrent and repugnant as blackface is.

@ClaudiaJ1

Drag queen is womanface. It's that simple. There is little difference between blackface and womanface. One is racist and the other is femphobic and misogynist/sexist.

And only one is socially acceptable. Both are unacceptable.

[quote ClaudiaJ1]@bluejelly Do you think blackface is also "part of our rich and varied cultural life"?

Drag queens have names like Anna Bortion, and Miss Carriage. You honestly don't see how that is deeply offensive to women? And that is even putting aside their gross overdone makeup caricature of women.

Drag queens are deeply, deeply offensive to women, chauvinist, misogynist and femphobic.[/quote]
Totally agree.

I'm the same I absolutely hate it. I can't bear it in Christmas Panto either.
The only one I've ever marginally liked is Julian Clary.
I hate the clothes, make up and the jokes too.

ArabellaScott thank you for sharing that Kitty Demure video.

He couldn't make it more clear that drag is not suitable family entertainment because it is highly sexualised and that the queens frequently take drugs and have sex back stage.

He openly despises the women who think they are being cool and inclusive by pretending not to see how sexualised drag is.

The normalisation of strange men exposing their genitalia to children should not be part of our cultural life.

Good men avoid doing this, so the bad men stand out.

Yes, sorry, heath, I should have put some kind of explanation of what Kitty's angle was!