Aibu to not like drag Queens?

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And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

@mykitchenruler

It's offensive and misogynistic. And underage drag queens like this young man turn my stomach. Adult women book him for their entertainment

www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/meet-edinburghs-youngest-drag-queen-22602429.amp

Holy fuck, the misogynists are getting younger and younger.

That is wrong on all sorts of levels.

@CounsellorTroi I loved Hinge and Bracket. I found them annoying when I was a child in the seventies, but suddenly 'got' them when I grew up. Their humour was not mocking or nasty like today's drag queens, who are like gaudy cartoon manifestations of women.

'I loved Hinge and Bracket. I found them annoying when I was a child in the seventies, but suddenly 'got' them when I grew up. Their humour was not mocking or nasty like today's drag queens, who are like gaudy cartoon manifestations of women'

Exactly and old fashioned pantomime dames weren't offensive either it's just this new breed of over sexualised misogynists pretending to be entertainers that really needs to stop.

@Jellykat Fuck me, theres some naivety on this thread.. firstly, the whole 'fish' thing is not new, its at least 30 years old...

Oh, jolly good, what other offensive terms and caricatures from 30 years ago can we use in the name of entertainment?

a man parodying a woman glad you admit that Drag is a parody of women. Now perhaps you can explain why it is acceptable to portray such an extreme demeaning parody of women in the name of entertainment?

Odd because I always thought dame Edna and the old school drag were parodies of women, usually misogynistic etc, yet the rupaul drag is, to me, men who idolise women. Krystal who won this year and Veronica Green are beautiful and in no way demean women.

I grew up in the gay scene 70s and 80s and the number of gay men who hate women was tiny. I have met more straight men who hate women. So I don't think gay men who do drag do it to demean women, but because they emulate women.

But I'm not a man, gay, or a drag queen so this is just my view from where I sit

And there was 'Flowjob Queen' who attended a primary school in Scotland. Posted photos on his social media, in among others of himself in sexualised poses with fetish gear and drug/alcohol references.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8038669/Furious-parents-slam-primary-school-drag-queen-Flowjob-read-pupils-young-four.html

@MondeoFan Julian Clary is hilarious, although he isn't a drag queen. He just wears (or used to wear) a lot of make up and PVC. I was only prepared to watch Little Princess with DS1 because Julian Clary did the narration

@Mumdiva99

Yabu starting another thread about this.. yawn. Done to death. Overall concensus MN hates them. Personally I find no offence in someone dressing like a woman and calling it drag. It is nothing like me and my life as a woman. I don't tuck. I don't wear corsets. I don't paint on eyebrows. I don't wear a wig. I don't even really wear make up. So I find it so far from my life as to take no offence. If I didn't like it I would just not watch. (Like I avoid Mrs Brown's Boys and that programme with Lee what's his face being grandma).

@Mumdiva99 Yabu to think everyone on here has been on here for years and has seen threads like this on here before.

I also think yabu if you find 'no offence' at names like Anna Bortion and Miss Carriage and calling other drags 'fishy'. But way to stab your fellow women in the back, because you're all right jack you don't care. Yay you. Strike another blow for the men.

I find most drag acts hilarious, I love the drag queens in pantomime. I love the outrageousness and the way they push boundaries. I don’t feel in any tiny way offended by them as a woman. It is just a form of comedy to me and I don’t get any of this distaste at all.

I feel like it takes the piss out of women and that's not OK.

Ugh I hate modern drag. It’s no different to blackface.

Check out some of the names here.

Malestia Child? Really?

www.pride.com/comedy/2019/7/19/18-funniest-drag-queen-names#media-gallery-media-15

@Notimeforaname

Are drag kings 'manface' or are drag kings allowed here ?

@Notimeforaname The power differential between mocking women, and mocking men is very, very, very vast. I am surprised by your ignorant comment. It's like asking if 'whiteface is allowed here'.

@Sonex

can you imagine if women started parodying gay men and making money out of doing shows with overeaxgerated campiness and going on about the smell of butt holes?

They would be vilified for being homophobic.

Maybe I'm looking incorrectly through a lens of time, but I recall Hinge and Bracket, Lily, Edna and Les Dawson whilst in drag as being sympathetic in their observation (I'm struggling with my vocabulary a bit) to women and extremely clever in their humour in deriding and mocking the male ego. That was also where Clary went too far as far as mainstream press/TV was concerned.

It seems to me that has given way to pure spite and creating these grotesques that use the appearance of a woman to systemically denigrate them.

Recall the scene in Friends where Joey observes that a man Pheobe really likes has actually got her to agree to and in fact suggest a totally no strings relationship, and think it's a good idea.

This is what the current drag scene feels like to me. We are invited to admire and then shriek with laughter as we are treated like shit, and think we're having a great time doing it.

@Missey85

I love drag show's! Their just a bit of fun and all of you posting about "woman face" is just stupid so I suppose you've never worn pants or male style clothing? Get the stick out of ya butts and just enjoy it for what it is

So because someone doesn't like something they're 'stupid'?

I don't 'enjoy it for what it is'. It is misogynistic and offensive.

I hate drag. I find it offensive to women.
Women don’t dress up as men for laughs, portraying exaggerated stereotypes of macho dicks who get aggressive over anything and refuse to cry. With names like ‘Floppy One’. I wonder why?

But given it’s only offensive to some women no one cares.

Imagine if the actual oppressed sex were offended by distasteful mocking behaviour based on their sex? Oh wait..

@CorrBlimeyGG

Bollocks is it demeaning to women.

Imagine getting your knickers in a twist over this!

@CorrBlimeyGG Considering your views on women's rights, it's no surprise you think demeaning women is no big deal.... You must really hate women.

I love the outrageousness and the way they push boundaries.

They do love to push those boundaries, don't they?

Miss Carriage
Malestia Child
Anna Bortion

YABU to think Dame Edna and drag shows in the 90s were any better.

The whole convention, including pantomime dames, is based in large part on mocking women. But it also takes a swipe at male stereotypes and conventions (e.g. pantomime dames are “ugly” and played by men because men can’t be “pretty”).

I do see the humour in a lot of it, the playing with archetypes and the knocking convention, but I think there’s a lot of misogyny in it too. There’s a lot of misogyny in how women are portrayed in almost all media, though. On screen and stage, social media, music, fiction. Drag just makes it stand out.

@amnm

Drag queens aren't men dressing up as women. It's (mostly) men dressing deliberately in a way that goes against the gender norms imposed on men as a way of rebelling against society.

The queens on stage aren't pretending they're women.

@amnm Utterly delusional. It's men mocking gender norms imposed on women. They are pretending they are women and mocking us. With names like Anna Bortion , Miss Carriage and Malestia Child, they clearly are NOT mocking 'men'. Wake up.

Ugh. Pricks.

They are horrible ,OP. YANBU .And everybody and his granny seems to be doing it and it is very popular . At least when I was younger , we have some decent bands to see locally (80s/90s) now the venues and bars are full of this unfunny shite .

*had

@Missey85

I love drag show's! Their just a bit of fun and all of you posting about "woman face" is just stupid so I suppose you've never worn pants or male style clothing? Get the stick out of ya butts and just enjoy it for what it is

@Missey85 With names like Anna Bortion , Miss Carriage and Malestia Child? You think that is a 'bit of fun'? Wake up!