Aibu to not like drag Queens?

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And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

Saying you don't like drag should be no more controversial than saying you don't like wrestling. Both are very over-the-top, and essentially "fake", vulgar and caricatural. They also make tons of money, and do have their fans. Doesn't mean everyone should like it, or that there's anything wrong with hating the medium.

But somehow drag is much more politicised than wrestling, because people associate it with LGBT rights. You MUST like it to show support, and how enlightened you are. And that's bollocks.
Back in the real world, a lot of LGBT people dislike over the top "queer" nonsense and find it outright embarrassing (you can also be gay and hate Pride marches and rainbow flags... It's allowed)

For a long time, everytime I went to BBC iplayer they were pushing me to watch drag race. Why???? Why is a publicly funded broadcaster so desperate that I watch that steaming pile of sexist turd?! Really annoying.

@heathspeedwell I have literally never heard of this news story you mention. It's just awful. I don't think my acceptance and occasional enjoyment of drag artists means I condone child rape! I mean bloody hell of course I don't.

For those saying I've contradicted myself; maybe I didn't explain myself well enough in my initial posting. I do think I'm liberal; but I'm not sure that statement is contradictory if I disagree with non liberal's opinions; I'm not that fussed either way; I'm just not, as a woman, offended by drag artists in the slightest. But if that was lost in my original post I then I apologise.

But somehow drag is much more politicised than wrestling, because people associate it with LGBT rights. You MUST like it to show support, and how enlightened you are. And that's bollocks.
Back in the real world, a lot of LGBT people dislike over the top "queer" nonsense and find it outright embarrassing (you can also be gay and hate Pride marches and rainbow flags... It's allowed)

Which is exactly how the Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey was deemed acceptable to be part of a children's story time at a library, put the Pride Rainbow on something and no criticism is allowed.

And I think sherbert lemons might want to check the meaning liberal!!!!! Cus I think they'ves misunderstood.

@ArabellaScott

Aida H Dee, children's entertainer, in action

It is a worry that this performer looks quite so ‘excited’ to be working with children. As drag by its nature is a sexualised caricature of women, often with offensive names, I don’t understand why there is such a push to promote this to children.

Why is it ok for children to see that this man is clearly aroused during his act?

Why is it ok for this man to be aroused while performing in front of children?

What do children gain from this?

Is it appropriate for 9 year old boys to be ‘drag queens’ and dance for money from older men? It happens now in this country and there is quite a famous case in America where an underage boy has been photographed hanging out with a convicted sex offender and making jokes about drug taking.

Safeguarding for children seems to be abandoned when drag gets involved.

Dare I mention that John lewis ad with the boy / trans girl pouting and sexy dancing. Very bizarre that we now consider that mainstream.

@Jellykat

Omicron Yep, its been around for at least 30 years, so not new as many posters have implied.. and youre missing the point, have you ever been on a thread where posters have said they 'hate' the parodies portrayed by other women or find them 'disgusting?'? (n.b, let me explain the relevance of pouty pumped up lips, they are considered attractive because they emulate an aroused womans vagina! so less of the WTF thanks.. )

There are plenty of threads of Mumsnet where people criticise the trend amongst women for surgery and treatments in order to achieve a certain look.

Are we really supposed to fawn and clap because it's men doing it and not women? And actually women don't tend to look, act and speak as drag queens do, because drag queens are performing an exagerrated stereotype of womanhood.

By the way women can't 'parody' women.

You are still tying yourself up in knots SherbetLemons - people who disagree with you are automatically non-liberals. You are the one who described the posters here who disagree with Drag as full of hate and disgust.

Liberal you are not.

(n.b, let me explain the relevance of pouty pumped up lips, they are considered attractive because they emulate an aroused womans vagina! so less of the WTF thanks.. )

This is also horseshit, usually spouted by blokes.

Accepting other people's opinions doesn't just mean accepting the opinions of people who do and enjoy things you personally find too extreme for your tastes, like swinging or bungee-jumping.

It also means accepting the opinions of people who don't enjoy the activities you relish, including people who don't enjoy drag performances.

I always wonder about the "liberalness" of people who don't understand this. I used to live in the cheap bit of town, because it was literally the cheapest rent I could find. Due to the price, it was a very diverse area. I used to take my kids to the children's library sessions alongside families of very different ethnic origins than mine. There is no way the Anglo-Pakistani mothers in hijab, who take their kids to the local library there, would be having it if they walked in to a children's rhyme time to see a drag performer's visible cock.

Accepting different opinions means accepting the opinions of inconvenient Muslim women too.

I wish I had some eye bleach after reading jellykats theory of vagina lips

Aida H Dee gets a pass because Drag and Rainbow and Diversity and Inclusion, no other man reading to or entertaining children would get a pass if they were doing so wearing trousers showing their hard-on.

@SherbertLemons there have been a few instances of drag queens who are child abusers being given access to children recently. The frightening thing is that people didn't think to do background checks on these men because they assume a man in a dress is somehow less likely to be dangerous than other men.

This despite the fact that there have been lots of images on social media of drag queens with obvious erections in a room full of children, or drag queens laying on the floor and letting children climb all over them.
newspunch.com/second-drag-queen-story-hour-reader-exposed-as-a-pedophile/

It also means accepting the opinions of people who don't enjoy the activities you relish, including people who don't enjoy drag performances.

Absolutely agree with this. Different strokes for different folks..people's personal likes and dislikes are just that,personal.

I love drag but completely accept and understand that about 80% of the thread disagree with me,absolutely fine. Does not make anyone bad or good. We just like/dislike different things.

Eye bleach away Franca123..

and of course women can parody women Omicrone

Drag queens are entertainers and perform a role, there’s nothing sexual or fetish like about it, it’s their job and like in most types of jobs you get good and bad

@kazillionaire you really believe there’s nothing sexual about it?

Yeah, it's a vital job. Parodying women. practically keyworkers.
Get the pots and pans and give them a bash.

Just wanted to add my voice to the belief that drag is deeply offensive. It feels like we are constantly being shown a parody of womanhood through drag with the intention of putting us in our place. It’s womanface, plain and simple.

@amnm

Drag queens aren't men dressing up as women. It's (mostly) men dressing deliberately in a way that goes against the gender norms imposed on men as a way of rebelling against society.

The queens on stage aren't pretending they're women.

I quite enjoy RuPaul and watch with my daughters. Some of the Queens look and are horrible, and some are amazing and beautiful -- but reading this post and the replies I'm just thinking I don't really know what drag is all about... Is it mysogyny or something else?

For me, amnm's summed up what I think it's about.

As a young woman I quite enjoyed drag for the artistry. And then I saw a couple of shows and started to realise just how derogatory to women most drag is. It just is. The stage names, the fishy thing, the grotesque parody. That vile person performing 'abortion', the twerking in libraries. It's not gentle good fun, it's overtly sexualised hate masquerading as entertainment. Honestly, suggesting a grown woman who dislikes drag is the one indulging in hate is so naive it's worrying. These men do not like or respect women in any way.

can you imagine if women started parodying gay men and making money out of doing shows with overeaxgerated campiness and going on about the smell of butt holes?

@Sonex

can you imagine if women started parodying gay men and making money out of doing shows with overeaxgerated campiness and going on about the smell of butt holes?

Imagine. Then the successful ones would appear on The Weakest Link and Celebrity Sewing Bee. As if.

It's (mostly) men dressing deliberately in a way that goes against the gender norms imposed on men as a way of rebelling against society.
BY reinforcing female gender stereotypes? Nonsense.