Aibu to not like drag Queens?

[Draggedalong1]

And why don’t I? To me there is something intimidating and scary in the make up, and harsh glamour, parodied until it’s ugly and I think, aggressive. I remember going to drag shows long again in the 90s and they seemed to be a bit of fun and almost innocent compared to whatever it is about ru Paul et al. Nothing wrong with a bit of dame Edna from what I remember as a kid. What’s the reasoning behind this new style I wonder, and aibu?

Rebelling against gender norms or against society? Maybe so.

I’m not sure why that has to involve mocking women or speaking about them in a derisory fashion.

I never got the same feeling about Lily Savage or Dame Edna or Cissie and Ada.

For me there has been a shift.

It just seems to be about mocking women now - not celebrating them.

What's really pressing my buttons is the need of the wokerati to shoehorn it into family entertainment/kids TV/reading time at the library etc.

There are pictures of the Drag Queen Ada H Dee the Storytime Drag Queen with their large wig, over the top made up face, prosthetic breasts and an obvious raging hard-on perfectly enhanced by their outfit surrounded by (in their words) young eleven year olds.

@mildtomoderate

It's a thing that exists in the world that you don't have to engage with, if you wish. So just... don't.

It's also perfectly reasonable to express our opinions about it, even if those opinions are negative. I don't engage with it at all yet it seems to have become very mainstream these days; so, as it cannot be totally avoided unless one joins a closed order of nuns, women are going to have opinions about it and are going to express them and quite right too!

Aida H Dee, children's entertainer, in action

I think they are awesome. As PP said, live and let live!

I've met several drag artists; fun, liberated, confident and happy people. Not to mention amazing make up skills (even if you don't like the end result you can't deny it's skilful when most of us "real" women can't even master winged eyeliner (myself included)!

Maybe im more liberal than most; but it's a really nice feeling being accepting and welcoming of people with different opinions and lives than your own. Certainly nicer than being full of hate and disgust at anything that is perceived as "different". Certainly worse things going on in the world to worry about than drag artists!

I'm more surprised when women love drag queens and take their child to have stories read by a man dressed publicly displaying his misogyny and sexual fetish by dressing as an overly sexualised parody of a woman.

@bubblesbubbles11

I don't like it either. One of my first boyfriends confessed to me that he liked cross dressing (he never did it infront of me) and that kinda freaked me out - I don't know why. But I remember feeling a vague sense of him trying to "take ownership" of feminity which i found grossly offensive. Maybe I am just an insecure type of woman and call me old fashioned but i wanted him to "let me" be the woman in the relationship and his desire to do this somehow offended me.

I would find it a huge turn-off and offensive to my femininity as well, so I don't think you're being insecure. If you're a straight woman, you fancy masculine, manly men and we do NOT need to justify that, never mind condemn ourselves for it in any way, shape or form!!

If you're a straight woman, you fancy masculine, manly men

demonstrably untrue.

You can't always judge a book by its cover.
But ignoring the instinct part of your brain is not something we should be encouraging vulnerable people to overcome.
Your instincts have developed over thousands of years to tell you:
Men, sometimes a danger. Err on the side of caution. Ditto disguise and covering your face. Why does drag get a free pass?
Your brain knows this. I don't think ignoring this.makes you a good or less judgemental.person.
It makes you vulnerable.

SherbertLemons

Sentence 1: Maybe im more liberal than most; but it's a really nice feeling being accepting and welcoming of people with different opinions and lives than your own.

Sentence 2: Certainly nicer than being full of hate and disgust at anything that is perceived as "different".

Don't worry hen, you're not more liberal than most. You've simply told yourself that it makes you liberal to characterise people with different opinions as "full of hate and disgust"

@Clymene

I hate them and I hate the way the bbc is pushing them constantly.

Yes me too

Fuck me, theres some naivety on this thread.. firstly, the whole 'fish' thing is not new, its at least 30 years old... secondly, not acceptable for children to see men dressed as sexy women, fine for them to see images of likes of Kim Kardashian and her pumped up arse, or women with enhanced vagina lips?
Have you not noticed how many young women and girls are buggering up their faces and bodies because of what other WOMEN look like?
Far more dangerous then a man parodying a woman - youngsters dont want to look like Ru Paul!

@SherbertLemons

I think they are awesome. As PP said, live and let live!

I've met several drag artists; fun, liberated, confident and happy people. Not to mention amazing make up skills (even if you don't like the end result you can't deny it's skilful when most of us "real" women can't even master winged eyeliner (myself included)!

Maybe im more liberal than most; but it's a really nice feeling being accepting and welcoming of people with different opinions and lives than your own. Certainly nicer than being full of hate and disgust at anything that is perceived as "different". Certainly worse things going on in the world to worry about than drag artists!

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"It's a really nice feeling being accepting and welcoming of people..."

And this, right here, is the kind of virtue-signalling that led to a man who had raped an 8 year old child being able to perform Drag Queen Story Time in a library with children as young as 2 without anyone running a background check on him.

Maybe im more liberal than most; but it's a really nice feeling being accepting and welcoming of people with different opinions and lives than your own. Certainly nicer than being full of hate and disgust at anything that is perceived as "different". Certainly worse things going on in the world to worry about than drag artists!

Your second statement contradicts your first statement, people who differ from your view are full of hate and disgust, typical tolerant liberal who is anything but.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes no, this thread is full of posters literally saying they "hate" drag artists and find it "disgusting".

@WorriedMumsDontSleep

You can't always judge a book by its cover. But ignoring the instinct part of your brain is not something we should be encouraging vulnerable people to overcome. Your instincts have developed over thousands of years to tell you: Men, sometimes a danger. Err on the side of caution. Ditto disguise and covering your face. Why does drag get a free pass? Your brain knows this. I don't think ignoring this.makes you a good or less judgemental.person. It makes you vulnerable.

I very much agree with your POV.

Kim Kardashian is not a suitable role model in most respects. Although she did fund a plane to bring some Afghanistan girl refugees to save them from the Taliban. Probably all for publicity but she's clearly done something to help women in one instance.

Whereas men parodying her and taking the Mickey don't do anything for females.

Although they do campaign against their safe spaces etc.

Fuck me, theres some naivety on this thread.. firstly, the whole 'fish' thing is not new, its at least 30 years old...

So? The misogyny has been around for 30 odd years then?

secondly, not acceptable for children to see men dressed as sexy women, fine for them to see images of likes of Kim Kardashian and her pumped up arse, or women with enhanced vagina lips?

I don't want kids to think that being a woman is anything to do with a 'pumped up arse' or 'enhanced vagina lips' (WTF?) whether its a woman or a man doing that, thanks.

Maybe im more liberal than most; but it's a really nice feeling being accepting and welcoming of people with different opinions and lives than your own.

And it gets you lots of asspats from fetishistic men. Win win.

Why is no-one "accepting and welcoming of people with different opinions" when it's "people who have the opinion that children should be able to attend public library sessions without being able to see the shape of male sexual organs"?

[quote SherbertLemons]@PurgatoryOfPotholes no, this thread is full of posters literally saying they "hate" drag artists and find it "disgusting".
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Would you go on to a thread of people saying they hated ballet or marmite and think it acceptable to characterise them as being "full of hate and disgust"?

No, you'd realise that was hyperbole.

@Jellykat

Fuck me, theres some naivety on this thread.. firstly, the whole 'fish' thing is not new, its at least 30 years old... secondly, not acceptable for children to see men dressed as sexy women, fine for them to see images of likes of Kim Kardashian and her pumped up arse, or women with enhanced vagina lips? Have you not noticed how many young women and girls are buggering up their faces and bodies because of what other WOMEN look like? Far more dangerous then a man parodying a woman - youngsters dont want to look like Ru Paul!

I wasn't around 30 years ago to object.

I'm damn well objecting now, and I have the right to do so. I do not consent to having my body mocked for being female.

[quote SherbertLemons]@PurgatoryOfPotholes no, this thread is full of posters literally saying they "hate" drag artists and find it "disgusting".
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No, the majority of them are stating they hate Drag as a concept and why and yes it is disgusting to have a form of mainstream entertainment that's sole purpose is to ridicule, demean and engage in an extreme mocking parody of women. For which other group in society would this be deemed as an acceptable form of entertainment?

Omicron Yep, its been around for at least 30 years, so not new as many posters have implied..
and youre missing the point, have you ever been on a thread where posters have said they 'hate' the parodies portrayed by other women or find them 'disgusting?'?
(n.b, let me explain the relevance of pouty pumped up lips, they are considered attractive because they emulate an aroused womans vagina! so less of the WTF thanks.. )